May 19, 2012, 02:24 PM
I think it important to note the guy with armor is shown With a lantern for night digging. A grave perhaps.
It's no wonder truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense. Mark Twain
May 19, 2012 02:24 PM
May 19, 2012, 02:25 PM
Very Funny! Some people come here to truly find out all they can about what the past has to offer those who seek to find it. While apparently still others are totally oblivious to the true meaning of Spanish Treasure and what it takes to actually discover it! Be a good boy and take your senseless comments elsewhere if you please. Thank you! You shall never know what it's like to be a professional in the treasure hunting business and if you ever put your metal detector to some good use, you sure don't know how to show it. Respectfully!
May 19, 2012, 02:34 PM
If it means disrespecting graves then you professionals can have all that bad mojo.
It's no wonder truth is stranger than fiction. Fiction has to make sense. Mark Twain
May 19, 2012, 04:08 PM
Wow! Now where did I see that signature before? Oh yeah! I found it on a piece of copper in western Kentucky. The Spaniards used the same material to fashion spare crossbow tips out of after they got done shooting Native Americans with all the iron spiked ones. Attachment 637499 For example at the Battle of Mabila 1540. Much more exciting holding a piece of history in the palm of your own hand than combing grand mother's hair. Sometimes a person can even uncover important historical relics that shed light on some old lost trail theory. Of course, you know that already I would hope? But the hardest part about discovering Spanish Treasure is knowing what to do with it after you find it. I wonder what some *Senior Members would have to say about that? Because inquiring minds would really like a few good answers and it could even rewrite the history books so old folks like us can have something to read without fear of having to use a lantern in the middle of the night to keep our activities a secret. I get enough of that already from Members of Congress, the EPA , our wonderful National Parks Service in charge of National Memorials, and even a few archaeologists and knowledgeable experts of Florida History with more to hide than could ever be gained by the revelation of historical truth. So seriously treasure hunting can be fun, yet at the same time we need to remember what the difference is between archaeological ethics and a metal detector user's Code of Conduct. Somehow these two sets of standards need to learn how to cooperate with each other so both sides of the issue can gain from digging up the past. AGREE OR DISAGREE in this great hobby of ours and in the world of historic preservation there is enough Spanish Treasure out there for everybody to find some. First you have to be able to even recognize it. And then find the courage to do whatever it takes to put your treasure to some good use. Being authorized to officially admit your own history ever happened at De Soto's own National Memorial at the same time you keep on commemorating it did would be a perfect start. And when the Museum of Florida History in Tallahassee can finally put this kind donation on public display without fear of being embarrassed over where exactly it was found, then that's the day perhaps I myself can finally rest my case. Until then, what good are the laws or the Florida Court Rulings being forced upon those of us who actually do find Spanish Treasures when sometimes they do get enforced when it benefits a very select few like Presidents and Kings and those who act like they are in charge telling us how history happened according to themselves while on the contrary these same laws and Supreme Decisions get tossed under the Smithsonian Bus and trampled beyond recognition whenever it is expedient for governments, politicians, and bureaucrats to do so. Even Scholars and Historians are included. As well as your local treasure hunter who is fortunate enough to dig up such controversial pieces of history. Sorry, I just wanted to say that, eh. The politics of discovering a Conquistador's Lost Trail can be more than you bargained for. But to delete historical truth from the official record is bad for business and your favorite hobby alike.
Jul 30, 2012, 10:51 AM
It would be near impossible to find any actual Spanish armor in California unless it washed ashore from some sunken galleon (highly unlikely). Although Cabrillo made reconnaisance of the coast and a couple others as well, the vast majority of any Spanish troops in California would have consisted of soldados de cuera (the leather jackets) whose "armor" was leather (obviously). New Mexico and even Colorado, there were some troops who would have worn breastplace and morion, but in California? No. As far as I know, there hasn't been much in the way of military finds (weaponry) even at the excavated presidio sites or battlefields (Mexican-American War). No swords, carbines, lance heads, etc. Period people would have collected these long before they got "buried". The majority if not all of the alleged imagery of breastplates, helmets, and weaponry (as well as skeletal remains) in the public mind stem from the imaginative men's magazine "adventures" and "lost treasures" illistrations from the late 1950s-1960s. As far as I can determine, there has never been a find of ANY Spanish or Mexican soldier's remains in the Southwest U.S. outside of a cemetery.
Jul 30, 2012, 12:57 PM
Hey california-william, you're talking common-sense and logic. But you will be beating your head against the wall, because the human psyche wants "so hard to believe" in any sort of fanciful treasure chests, suits of armor magically sitting undisturbed on cave floors, and so forth. Once you get someone giving a "lead" to a "treasure story", people will not find reasons to dismiss the notions, with common sense. Instead, they subconsciously bolster them, to the point of being iron-clad (because he said that she said that .... etc...). Why do you think all those treasure mag's from the 1960s and '70s sold so many copies? You know, the old yarns about the dying miner, the lone survivor of the indian attack, who drags himself into the saloon, spills the story of fabulous riches, giving a few clues, but dies before being able to return to recover the "lost mine" blah blah blah. We gullible md'rs want so hard to believe (lest we be "left out") that no amount of counter-persuasion works.
You're right about the "leather jackets" being the extent of their "armor" in the pacific northwest. Because they only had to repell indian arrow, not bullets. For example, in the Carmel Mission museum (the 2nd of the 21 missions), is an actual 1776 De Anza party chest armor, made strictly from leather. Multiple pieces steam-pressured and sewn into a type of chest armament. That particular excursion in 1776, was well financed and supplied Spanish excursion into Alta CA, at the time. I suppose ship traffic (which had the luxury of carrying more weight) could have had heavier stuff to bring to the new world. Still though, realistically speaking, manufactured goods were in short supply here, as cargo space was very precious and valuable, EVEN on ships arriving to re-supply the CA missions and presidios. We were at the remotest parts of the known-world at that time.
I've found Spanish uniform buttons, and other knicknacks. Even a sword hilt (however that *could* have been mexican era, who knows).
Not saying things aren't possible, or couldn't have occurred once somewhere ........ but just saying that in CA, you're going to be really lucky even to get Spanish era reales, at most, if you're really hardcore. The day and age of stumbling into caves (that coincidentally no one ever saw before, doh!) and just seeing treasure chests and suits of armor there? I mean, c'mon.
Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!
Jul 30, 2012, 11:48 PM
Jul 31, 2012, 05:38 PM
Jul 31, 2012, 06:11 PM
Interesting thread,I'm always looking for the trails, but alais this is all I have found so far
I took the road less traveled------------------- and now I'm lost
The secret to a long life ....................... make sure the sailor at the helm can't swim
Jul 31, 2012, 09:59 PM
just north of me in Gainesville Florida a husband and wife archy team found a Desoto camp site on thier own family land 700 acres or so.. The are excavating coinage and chevron beads pig and other animal bones and various other artifacts
Sep 23, 2013, 08:35 PM
In the. 1920's my grandfather his brother and one of their friends found a cave in north eastern OK there was Spanish armour a Skelton and a sealed box that was to heavy for the three of them to move they went to get help when they returned everything was gone not long after this there so called friend and his family moved away it took four men to pick up a box and carry it out of the house and the box wasn't that large he must have got help first returned and took everything before my grandfather and his group could get back there as far as the box in the cave they didn't open it I would speculate it was full of gold why the man was left behind with the box is a mystery
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