Its time to turn your metal detecting hobby in a profitable career

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It's time to turn your metal detecting hobby in a profitable career

Hi Fellows, brothers and sister, American all.

Everybody here knows what happen with the American economy. I was reading this article about the future of our economy and I think it's time to act before the "big storm" come over us.

Bad Economy news

http://guardiancommodities.com/market-news/18847-bad-economic-news.h

It seems like almost everywhere you turn these days there is bad economic news. Foreclosures are setting records, unemployment remains depressingly high, poverty is exploding, U.S. government debt is wildly out of control and Europe is on the verge of an economic collapse that could send the entire globe into a devastating financial panic. If all that wasn't enough,
has destroyed the seafood and tourism industries along the Gulf coast and threatens to push that entire region into a depression for years to come. The truth is that the more you look at the economic statistics coming in from around the globe the more it becomes obvious that we are headed for a complete and total economic nightmare.

Just consider some of the most recent economic news....

*The number of U.S. home foreclosures in May. How can the U.S. housing industry be recovering when the number of Americans being foreclosed on continues to set all-time records?

*As of March, U.S. banks had an inventory of approximately 1.1 million foreclosed homes, from a year ago. Instead of working their way through the huge backlog of unsold homes, U.S. banks continue to pile up a massive inventory of foreclosed homes at a staggering pace.

*According to figures from the U.S. Commerce Department, housing starts in the United States , the biggest decline since March 2009. The data also revealed that single-family home starts suffered the biggest drop since 1991. There is already a massive glut of unsold homes on the market, so builders simply do not think it is profitable to build many new homes right now.

*Officials now tell us that the cost of "fixing" Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the government-backed mortgage companies that last year bought or guaranteed the vast majority of all U.S. home loans, will be at least $160 billion . The twin pillars of the U.S. mortgage industry have become financial black holes that the U.S. government endlessly pours massive amounts of cash into. That is not a good sign.

*Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac from the New York Stock Exchange because their stock prices have been trading under $1 per share for more than 30 trading days. The truth is that Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac would have completely imploded by now if the U.S. government had not decided to step in and bail them out.

*The average duration of unemployment in the United States . Not only are a ton of Americans out of work, they can't find work for a very, very long time once they are unemployed.

*For Americans younger than 25 years of age, . But even those young Americans that can find employment often find themselves working in very low paying service jobs.

*Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke says that the U.S. unemployment rate is likely . Considering how badly Bernanke has been doing his job, it would be really nice if we could add just one more person to the unemployment rolls.

*According to one new study, approximately 21 percent of children in the United States - the highest rate in 20 years. There are hundreds of thousands of American children on the streets each night, and yet we continue to insist that we are the greatest country in the world.

*For the first time in U.S. history, , and the U.S. Department of Agriculture projects that number will go up to 43 million Americans in 2011. How many tens of millions of Americans have to be on food stamps before we officially say that we are in a depression?

*, the debates have begun inside the Fed about what it should do in the event of a "double dip" recession. If they are already debating what to do during the next economic downturn that means it is probably a foregone conclusion.

*If you were alive when Christ was born and spent one million dollars every single day from then until now, you still would not have spent one trillion dollars by now. But somehow the U.S. government is now over 13 trillion dollars in debt. According to a U.S. Treasury Department report to Congress, the U.S. national debt will top $13.6 trillion this year .

*It is being projected that the U.S. national debt will grow to surpass our gross domestic product . Needless to say, that is a really, really bad sign.

*The total of all government, corporate and consumer debt in the United States . At no point during the Great Depression did we ever even come close to such a figure.

But things may be even worse in Europe right now. Unfortunately for the U.S., when Europe experiences an economic collapse it will devastate the American economy as well.

The economic news coming out of Europe lately has been extremely alarming....

*George Soros says that a European recession next year . Considering how much access George Soros has to inside information, the fact that he is so pessimistic about Europe is a very troubling thing indeed.

*A report by the Bank for International Settlements says that the debt crisis hitting southern Europe . Is history about to repeat itself?

*Moody's has downgraded Greece government bond ratings , citing the risks inherent in the rescue package that the rest of the eurozone has put together for them. Soon Spain, Portugal, Italy, Ireland, Romania and a number of other European nations could have their debt downgraded as well.

*The U.K.'s new Office for Budget Responsibility has announced that the U.K. economy was more damaged by the recent financial crisis than previously admitted, . But the same could be said for many other nations across the world as well.

*21.5% of all working-age people in the U.K. . It seems like almost every country has a shortage of jobs these days.

*New U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron is warning that Britain's "whole way of life" is about to be significantly disrupted for years . In fact, severe austerity measures being implemented all across Europe could make this in ages.

*Spanish banks from the European Central Bank as Spain's financial institutions are finding it increasingly difficult to acquire funds in international capital markets. But the truth is that it isn't just Spanish banks that are facing a liquidity squeeze - the entire world is heading for a massive credit crunch.

But the biggest piece of bad economic news of all . There is no way that the southeast United States is going to be the same after this. Hordes of businesses and entire industries have been literally destroyed over the past two months. The total economic damage from this unprecedented disaster will easily run into the hundreds of billions of dollars. This is an economic blow that the teetering U.S. economy simply could not afford right now. Once the oil finally stops flowing the crisis will not be over. In fact, the aftermath from this oil spill could end up echoing for decades.

So are things bad out there? Yes, things are incredibly bad and they are about to get a whole lot worse. In fact, there are so many cancers eating away at the U.S. economy that it would take an entire book to detail them all.

What we are dealing with is not "just another recession" or "just another economic downturn". What we are witnessing is the fundamental unraveling of the monstrous debt spiral that our economy is based upon. Any economy that is built on a foundation of debt and paper money is inevitably doomed.

So yes, the bad economic news is going to continue. Things may get better for a while here and there, but the truth is that we are caught in a long-term spiral of economic decline from which there is no escape.

So what do you think? Do you believe that there is hope for the U.S. economy? Feel free to leave a comment with your opinion....
 

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I don't know how to turn metal detecting into a career but things are getting worse everyday. I am afraid it is going to take a catostrophic event even bigger then the oil spilling into the gulf to get people all working together to fix things. The economy didn't get this way over night and it's not gonna get better over night either. I'm afraid it's going to be a long hard haul before things start looking up.

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No matter what, I'll be ok. :)
God will provide for my needs, even if it's through my own two hands.

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Whether you prefer the phrase recession or depression, it doesn't matter. We're in one and realisitc forecasts say we won't fully recover until at 2014-2015, maybe 2016. Real estate and stocks are going to be stagnant, and will likely periodically fall. Gold and precious metals will remain solid in value.

Until this strom passes, here is what I would suggest people consider doing:

1. Get a copy of your credit report and see where you stand presently. How many credit lines do you have open? You may want to consider closing some of them.

2. Limit yourself to 1 credit card, maybe 2 if you have a good reason for keeping two. Close and shred the rest.

3. Try not to assume any more credit card debt and pay off what you have. Credit card interest rates are steadily climbing and could be near 20%, even for those with good credit scores, before its over. They'll be even worse for people with moderate to poor scores.

4. Create a $1,000 cash reserve you keep in a secure place in your home that is only to be used in the event of an emergency (i.e., the transmission falls out of your car, not "there's a clearance sale at Macy's!"). When you take from the cash reserve, your #1 goal is to replenish it back to $1,000.

5. If you have access to one, think about joining a credit union if their rates and fees are better than your bank's. Banks show us no loyalty, why should we?

6. Creat a budget for yourself and stick to it. It's amazing how few people know where their money is going every month. Make cuts for things you know you can live without. Any monthly surplus is to be used to create the cash reserve mentioned above or pay off debt.

7. IF YOU CAN'T PAY CASH, DON'T BUY IT.

I no longer think we're heading for economic Armaggedon, but its going to feel like the stagnant 1970's for awhile. All we can do is learn from this disaster (i.e., no one and no institution is to be trusted; if you don't completely understand an investment and the risks involved, don't do it, etc.) and see to it we don't fall for the lies and deceptions again. We didn't learn much from the last Depression, or the lesson didn't stick. Let's see if the second time is a charm.
 

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If you plan to turn detecting into a career things just got a whole lot worse for you.
 

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miser said:
Whether you prefer the phrase recession or depression, it doesn't matter. We're in one and realisitc forecasts say we won't fully recover until at 2014-2015, maybe 2016. Real estate and stocks are going to be stagnant, and will likely periodically fall. Gold and precious metals will remain solid in value.

Until this strom passes, here is what I would suggest people consider doing:

1. Get a copy of your credit report and see where you stand presently. How many credit lines do you have open? You may want to consider closing some of them.

2. Limit yourself to 1 credit card, maybe 2 if you have a good reason for keeping two. Close and shred the rest.

3. Try not to assume any more credit card debt and pay off what you have. Credit card interest rates are steadily climbing and could be near 20%, even for those with good credit scores, before its over. They'll be even worse for people with moderate to poor scores.

4. Create a $1,000 cash reserve you keep in a secure place in your home that is only to be used in the event of an emergency (i.e., the transmission falls out of your car, not "there's a clearance sale at Macy's!"). When you take from the cash reserve, your #1 goal is to replenish it back to $1,000.

5. If you have access to one, think about joining a credit union if their rates and fees are better than your bank's. Banks show us no loyalty, why should we?

6. Creat a budget for yourself and stick to it. It's amazing how few people know where their money is going every month. Make cuts for things you know you can live without. Any monthly surplus is to be used to create the cash reserve mentioned above or pay off debt.

7. IF YOU CAN'T PAY CASH, DON'T BUY IT.

I no longer think we're heading for economic Armaggedon, but its going to feel like the stagnant 1970's for awhile. All we can do is learn from this disaster (i.e., no one and no institution is to be trusted; if you don't completely understand an investment and the risks involved, don't do it, etc.) and see to it we don't fall for the lies and deceptions again. We didn't learn much from the last Depression, or the lesson didn't stick. Let's see if the second time is a charm.

Very good counseling, Thanks
 

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The whole economic downturn was started by $140 a barrel OIL! Its that simple! It drained the monetary system of the world. The oil producers were building a palm tree shaped luxury resort island, expressways to nowhere in the desert, a fleet of skyscrapers and the world's biggest university. They were straining to find ways to spend it while the rest of the world crumbled under the debt. What about a cure? If oil sells for $60+ a barrell, we would have a rapid recovery. If oil would sell for $70+ a barrell, we will have a slow or no recovery. If oil sells for $80+ a barrell we are going down. It's that simple!!
 

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Frankn said:
The whole economic downturn was started by $140 a barrel OIL! Its that simple! It drained the monetary system of the world. The oil producers were building a palm tree shaped luxury resort island, expressways to nowhere in the desert, a fleet of skyscrapers and the world's biggest university. They were straining to find ways to spend it while the rest of the world crumbled under the debt. What about a cure? If oil sells for $60+ a barrell, we would have a rapid recovery. If oil would sell for $70+ a barrell, we will have a slow or no recovery. If oil sells for $80+ a barrell we are going down. It's that simple!!


Think you better look at the housing bubble before you call final answer!
 

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Frankn said:
The whole economic downturn was started by $140 a barrel OIL! Its that simple! It drained the monetary system of the world. The oil producers were building a palm tree shaped luxury resort island, expressways to nowhere in the desert, a fleet of skyscrapers and the world's biggest university. They were straining to find ways to spend it while the rest of the world crumbled under the debt. What about a cure? If oil sells for $60+ a barrell, we would have a rapid recovery. If oil would sell for $70+ a barrell, we will have a slow or no recovery. If oil sells for $80+ a barrell we are going down. It's that simple!!

Frank

I don't think barrel will turn to $70 or less, neither, it is not the only issue that affect our economy. There is more issues, one of them, the illegal immigration that is get riding our jobs because they doing a cheaper job that American citizen does it. Another issues is printing money over nothing, convenience among banker, county government and insurance broker, are drowning the middle class families with the increase of the mortgage and foreclosure.

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When I was taking economics I was taught that everything that happened in history had two causes, an immediate cause, and an underlying cause. The immediate cause always gets the credit or blame for the event, but the underlying cause set everything in motion and is the real reason the event happened!! $140 a barrel was the death of the goose that layed the golden eggs.
 

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Thanks for the great tips on how to "turn you metal detecting hobby in a profitable career". nice :tongue3:
 

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Frankn said:
When I was taking economics I was taught that everything that happened in history had two causes, an immediate cause, and an underlying cause. The immediate cause always gets the credit or blame for the event, but the underlying cause set everything in motion and is the real reason the event happened!! $140 a barrel was the death of the goose that layed the golden eggs.

Sorry. I have to disagree. I do not doubt the price of oil made a bad situation worse, but the housing bubble started forming in 2004, well before the oil prices ever jumped. So many investment houses and governments from around the world invested in those bundled mortgages (called CDO's) for a share of the interest on the debt, that when those sub-prime mortgages, which were constituting a larger and larger portion of the CDO's, went into default, the value of the CDO's collapsed, touching off the worldwide recession we're in right now.

That's what clipped our wings, so to speak. In this case, the immediate and underlying cause was one of and the same: too much cheap credit was available that fueled rampant speculation that led to a complete downfall. It is more eerily similar to the 1907 collapse than most people would acknowledge.
 

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Hay Gilligan: I see you you added a lot of info also! :tongue3:
 

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Another reason to turn your hobby in a profitable career

Read this:

Gold Confiscation: Could it Happen Again?

The eventual result of the Bailouts will be inflationary and will further weaken the dollar. The flip side to a weak dollar is a rising gold price. All other things being equal, gold will continue to climb higher as the dollar moves lower. Today, just as in 1973 when gold began its last, big bull market, gold and the dollar are competitors, riding opposite ends of an economic seesaw.

In the 1980s and 1990s, gold languished and was replaced by the dollar as the standard against which all things financial are measured. In the coming years, as the dollar suffers one of the great meltdowns in monetary history, gold will reclaim its place at the center of the global financial system. Gold's value, relative to most national currencies, will soar.

However, the monetary crisis that will make your gold extraordinarily valuable will also create the very situation in which the government could return to some version of the gold standard, which would require that central banks enlarge their stocks of gold, increasing the gold price.

The problem is that the very circumstances that would make your gold so valuable could also result in its being taken from you. In 1933, in order to stabilize the monetary system, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under Executive Order No. 6102, confiscated all privately owned gold in the United States. Could it happen again? No two currency crises are exactly alike. However, it may be important to consider the reason why confiscation or expropriation is even relevant: the fact that, if it eventually became necessary for the U.S. to bolster a collapsing dollar with gold, we no longer have enough gold to do so in any meaningful way. As our debt and deficits have soared over the years, and as more and more dollars have been created, U.S. gold reserves have disappeared. In 1950, the United States Department of the Treasury owned 68.2 percent of the world's total gold reserves. Today, the Treasury owns less than 28 percent.

http://www.blanchardonline.com/beru/confiscation_again.php



Protect Against Gold Confiscation With Overseas Gold

There are several options these days to purchase gold and store it overseas, outside the US. If your gold is not in the US, the theory is that the US Government will not confiscate the gold. I personally have not explored any of these options. I'm all about doing things by the book and urge you to do the same. That doesn't mean these aren't good options. It just means you really need to do your homework and execute these strategies the right way. With overseas strategies, I don't know about the tax and reporting ramifications so I have decided not to do anything, just yet. However, once I have a better handle on things and understand how do to this the right way, I very well may explore and implement these options as a way to diversify my portfolio and hedge against the next gold confiscation.

So, what are these overseas gold ownership opportunities? As mentioned in my recent article about my gold monkey, Australia's Perth Mint offers gold certificates. The Perth Mint is the only government-backed allocated gold program. You can buy Perth Mint certificates and have your gold stored in the Perth Mint's vaults overseas. What a great way to protect against gold confiscation and diversify your holdings geographically!

The other neat way to diversify internationally is Bullion Vault. Bullion Vault offers an awesome web interface where you can buy gold bullion. You get to specify where the gold is stored, with many of the options overseas. While this is not a government-backed program like Australia's Perth Mint, the storage facilities are very secure and they seem to go to painstaking details to keep your gold safe and secure. How neat!

http://www.goldwhy.com/gold-confiscation.html

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Frankn said:
Hay Gilligan: I see you you added a lot of info also! :tongue3:

I did not start the thread brother
 

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Gilligan: You didn't add anything either. I was just stirring the pot that someone else started!
 

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architecad said:
Another reason to turn your hobby in a profitable career

Read this:

Gold Confiscation: Could it Happen Again?

The eventual result of the Bailouts will be inflationary and will further weaken the dollar. The flip side to a weak dollar is a rising gold price. All other things being equal, gold will continue to climb higher as the dollar moves lower. Today, just as in 1973 when gold began its last, big bull market, gold and the dollar are competitors, riding opposite ends of an economic seesaw.

In the 1980s and 1990s, gold languished and was replaced by the dollar as the standard against which all things financial are measured. In the coming years, as the dollar suffers one of the great meltdowns in monetary history, gold will reclaim its place at the center of the global financial system. Gold's value, relative to most national currencies, will soar.

However, the monetary crisis that will make your gold extraordinarily valuable will also create the very situation in which the government could return to some version of the gold standard, which would require that central banks enlarge their stocks of gold, increasing the gold price.

The problem is that the very circumstances that would make your gold so valuable could also result in its being taken from you. In 1933, in order to stabilize the monetary system, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under Executive Order No. 6102, confiscated all privately owned gold in the United States. Could it happen again? No two currency crises are exactly alike. However, it may be important to consider the reason why confiscation or expropriation is even relevant: the fact that, if it eventually became necessary for the U.S. to bolster a collapsing dollar with gold, we no longer have enough gold to do so in any meaningful way. As our debt and deficits have soared over the years, and as more and more dollars have been created, U.S. gold reserves have disappeared. In 1950, the United States Department of the Treasury owned 68.2 percent of the world's total gold reserves. Today, the Treasury owns less than 28 percent.

Roosevelt made ownership of gold coins illegal (obnoxious enough) but gold jewelry was still legal. So you beach detectorists, no fears! ;D
 

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miser said:
architecad said:
Another reason to turn your hobby in a profitable career

Read this:

Gold Confiscation: Could it Happen Again?

The eventual result of the Bailouts will be inflationary and will further weaken the dollar. The flip side to a weak dollar is a rising gold price. All other things being equal, gold will continue to climb higher as the dollar moves lower. Today, just as in 1973 when gold began its last, big bull market, gold and the dollar are competitors, riding opposite ends of an economic seesaw.

In the 1980s and 1990s, gold languished and was replaced by the dollar as the standard against which all things financial are measured. In the coming years, as the dollar suffers one of the great meltdowns in monetary history, gold will reclaim its place at the center of the global financial system. Gold's value, relative to most national currencies, will soar.

However, the monetary crisis that will make your gold extraordinarily valuable will also create the very situation in which the government could return to some version of the gold standard, which would require that central banks enlarge their stocks of gold, increasing the gold price.

The problem is that the very circumstances that would make your gold so valuable could also result in its being taken from you. In 1933, in order to stabilize the monetary system, President Franklin D. Roosevelt, under Executive Order No. 6102, confiscated all privately owned gold in the United States. Could it happen again? No two currency crises are exactly alike. However, it may be important to consider the reason why confiscation or expropriation is even relevant: the fact that, if it eventually became necessary for the U.S. to bolster a collapsing dollar with gold, we no longer have enough gold to do so in any meaningful way. As our debt and deficits have soared over the years, and as more and more dollars have been created, U.S. gold reserves have disappeared. In 1950, the United States Department of the Treasury owned 68.2 percent of the world's total gold reserves. Today, the Treasury owns less than 28 percent.

Roosevelt made ownership of gold coins illegal (obnoxious enough) but gold jewelry was still legal. So you beach detectorists, no fears! ;D

Well, that it's exactly we don't know if will happen again or not. In 1933 we didn't own a 13 trillion dollar in debt, so, it's possible today Fed can size all gold, including jewelry.

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He still hasn't told us how we can turn detecting into a profitable career. I have seen these reports before, it's all copied and pasted :icon_pirat:........NGE
 

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miser said:
Roosevelt made ownership of gold coins illegal (obnoxious enough) but gold jewelry was still legal. So you beach detectorists, no fears! ;D
You need to re-read the law. Roosevelt did not make owning gold illegal, only the large accumulation of gold. One could still keep 4 $2.50 gold pieces of the same year and mint mark. There are quite a few years and mintmarks available for that accumulation.

But you are correct that at the time, many people _thought_ Roosevelt made owning gold coins illegal, and either turned in all their gold coins or hid them.
 

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