Family fights government over rare ‘Double Eagle’ gold coins

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Family fights government over rare ‘Double Eagle’ gold coins
By Zachary Roth | The Lookout – 8 hrs ago

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A jeweler's heirs are fighting the United States government for the right to keep a batch of rare and valuable "Double Eagle" $20 coins that date back to the Franklin Roosevelt administration. It's just the latest coin controversy to make headlines.

Philadelphian Joan Langbord and her sons say they found the 10 coins in 2003 in a bank deposit box kept by Langbord's father, Israel Switt, a jeweler who died in 1990. But when they tried to have the haul authenticated by the U.S. Treasury, the feds, um, flipped.

They said the coins were stolen from the U.S. Mint back in 1933, and are the government's property. The Treasury Department seized the coins, and locked them away at Fort Knox. The court battle is set to kick off this week.

The rare coins (pictured), first struck in 1850, show a flying eagle on one side and a figure representing liberty on the other. One such coin recently sold at auction for $7.6 million, meaning the Langbords' trove could be worth as much as $80 million.

The coins are part of a batch that were struck but then melted down after President Roosevelt took the country off the gold standard in 1933, during the Great Depression. Two were given to the Smithsonian Institution*, but a few more mysteriously escaped.

The government has long believed that Switt schemed with a corrupt cashier at the Mint to swipe the coins. They note that the deposit box in which the coins were found was rented six years after Switt's death, and that the family never paid inheritance tax on the coins.

A lawyer for the Langbords counters that the coins could have left the Mint legally since it was permissible to swap gold coins for gold bullion.

Authorities in the Roosevelt era twice looked into Switt's coin dealings, including his possession of Double Eagle coins. In 1944, Switt's license to deal scrap gold was revoked.

The battle over the Double Eagles is hardly the only recent coin contretemps. Two British metal-detecting enthusiasts are said to be locked in a bitter dispute over how to divide the profits from a horde of Iron Age gold coins that they unearthed together in eastern England in 2008.

And an 80-year-old California man was jailed in 2009 after allegedly hitting another man in the head with a metal pipe and firing a gun at a third man during a dispute over missing gold coins.

Some coin disputes involve more than wrangling over valuable collectors' items. In 2007, Secret Service and FBI agents raided an Indiana company called Liberty Dollar, in a bid to stamp out illegal currency. The firm was making "Ron Paul Silver Dollars," in honor of Rep. Ron Paul, whose presidential campaign advocates bringing back the gold standard.
 

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SeaninNH

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They won't get to keep the coins. They were never released and most likely smuggled out of the mint and they have 10 of them.

I'd call them screwed.
 

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Lets see here.... :sunny:

1. You know that the government outlawed gold ownership in 1933...
2. You know that the coins you have COULD be considered illegally obtained...
3. You decide to present the coins to the very U.S Treasury who was originally authorized to enforce the gold ownership ban and who could confiscate them to have THEM determine authenticity...

Something wrong with this picture...???? :dontknow:

Or is it just me??? :help: :help:
 

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TheRandyMan said:
Lets see here.... :sunny:

1. You know that the government outlawed gold ownership in 1933...
2. You know that the coins you have COULD be considered illegally obtained...
3. You decide to present the coins to the very U.S Treasury who was originally authorized to enforce the gold ownership ban and who could confiscate them to have THEM determine authenticity...

Something wrong with this picture...???? :dontknow:

Or is it just me??? :help: :help:


You pretty much summed it up nicely..They deserve to never see them coins again for taking them down to the mint and put them in there hands to start with...
 

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Randy, my thoughts exactly. Now if I found the coins, I would have sent one at a time to that auction house that got the high price. Frank
 

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I believe I would have sent them to an overseas auction house and had all funds deposited in a Caribbean bank account totally anonymously. :headbang:
 

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TheRandyMan said:
I believe I would have sent them to an overseas auction house and had all funds deposited in a Caribbean bank account totally anonymously. :headbang:


These would have been hard to get rid of.......as coins that is.....auction houses are watched for items like this and the government
will probably sell them for the National Debt....[mod]Post edit.[/mod]
 

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One other comment.....
Let's say you found 80 Million Dollars.....cash in a box under Grand Dad's bed.
What in the sam hill are you going to do with it?

Cannot put it in the bank = Govt. gets it
Cannot go out and start spending it like you are not wealthier than before = IRS gets it
Cannot go on TV and announce to the world what you just found = IRS, Govt(Local, State, Feds) & all your "friends & relatives" come by and "See ya".
Cannot give it to your relatives with a pact to "keep it to ourselves" = someone always blabs
Cannot tell your wife, girl friend, boy friend, or he/she friend = They will get on Facebook and blab
Cannot give it away to strangers= Word will get out
Cannot give it to the church= They will want more or blab to the news media

This is the problem of ALL of us if we stumble on to the BIG ONE while hunting TH

I dare say, them thaar Goverment boys are here reading this too! :help:

So, Rent a plane,
Take it all up in the plane.
Fly low over Washington DC and start thowing it out the window.......and watch all the wrecks and such.

At least keep a small and I mean SMALL amount under the bed. :headbang:
 

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Goverton, you need to get out of the house a bit more...or maybe do a bit more research into this subject...lol :laughing7:

There are many ways to discretely dispose of select items in ways that draw neither attention nor low compensation percentages relative to the value of the item. :sign13:

Private collectors, overseas dealers and auction houses, etc.. :thumbsup:

Creativity and ingenuity know no bounds when faced with the strictures of immoral and even illegal restrictions of one's freedom and liberty! :idea1: :happy2: :idea1: :happy2: :icon_cyclops_ani: :tard: :icon_cyclops_ani: :tard:
 

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TheRandyMan said:
Goverton, you need to get out of the house a bit more...or maybe do a bit more research into this subject...lol :laughing7:

There are many ways to discretely dispose of select items in ways that draw neither attention nor low compensation percentages relative to the value of the item. :sign13:

Private collectors, overseas dealers and auction houses, etc.. :thumbsup:

Creativity and ingenuity know no bounds when faced with the strictures of immoral and even illegal restrictions of one's freedom and liberty! :idea1: :happy2: :idea1: :happy2: :icon_cyclops_ani: :tard: :icon_cyclops_ani: :tard:

Well said. Looks like we're the only two to trust when you guys find the Big One, eh? :icon_thumright:
 

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goverton said:
TheRandyMan said:
I believe I would have sent them to an overseas auction house and had all funds deposited in a Caribbean bank account totally anonymously. :headbang:


These would have been hard to get rid of.......as coins that is.....auction houses are watched for items like this and the government
will probably sell them for the National Debt....[mod]Post edit.[/mod]

[mod]Post edit.[/mod]

I'll get on topic though. These people are idiots. What in the hell did they think was going to happen? Do people not even bother to try and research items before they hand them off to the "experts?"
 

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TheRandyMan said:
Goverton, you need to get out of the house a bit more...or maybe do a bit more research into this subject...lol :laughing7:

There are many ways to discretely dispose of select items in ways that draw neither attention nor low compensation percentages relative to the value of the item. :sign13:

Private collectors, overseas dealers and auction houses, etc.. :thumbsup:

Creativity and ingenuity know no bounds when faced with the strictures of immoral and even illegal restrictions of one's freedom and liberty! :idea1: :happy2: :idea1: :happy2: :icon_cyclops_ani: :tard: :icon_cyclops_ani: :tard:

I will be looking you up when my "ship comes in" for your expertise...
 

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At this point those ten coins just might be the only actual gold stored IN Fort Knox.
 

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By the way, In what parallel universe would someone send 10 80 year old 8 million dollars a piece double eagle coins to the Federal government for authentication? How does that circumstance become even a remote consideration?.
Huh? All of them? At the same time?
They deserve to lose them.
 

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By the way, In what parallel universe would someone send 10 80 year old 8 million dollars a piece double eagle coins to the Federal government for authentication? How does that circumstance become even a remote consideration?.
Huh? All of them? At the same time?
They deserve to lose them.

In bold, not a truer statement could be said! No one should ever trust the Federal Government and especially the Secret Service to authenticate any U.S. coin! See the link below where the Secret Service destroyed untold numbers of true 1969-S "Doubled Die Obverse" Lincoln Cents in their search for counterfeits produced by Roy Gray and Morton Goodman because they thought that they were counterfeits as well.

PcgsCoinFacts.com : Your Online Reference for U.S. Coins


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This is a very old story. I am on the side of the family. They were not smart to give them over to the government, but should had received many opinions from the top coin dealers in our country. I am sure that the family is crying and I do not blame them. The government should sell the coins at a coin auction and give the family 50% before taxes, which means the government will get more then the family.
 

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