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    Quote Originally Posted by soupfreak View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by Twisted One View Post
    Like I said, I am pretty much at my wits end, tried several hobbies over the last few years, trying to find something fun, interesting, and worth the time, and every time I get involved with the community I find the same thing, laws being written to restrict it, two groups fighting over the right and wrong of it, I can no longer see the relaxation and fun part of a hobby once I get mixed up in that. For some reason I always find myself in the middle of it? I don't like it, so it's never intentional, so the question is, can it be avoided? Probably for a bit, but eventually it's going to find you. I'm losing my mind now, wow.... What is a damn near new MXT Pro going to sell for? Might just have to cut my losses now.

    I feel your pain. However, any hobby you pick up is going to have some form of government regulation that threatens to crush it. Take for example two other hobbies I have been into:

    -Paintball
    -Amateur Pyrotechnics

    Both have been targets of legislation to restrict or cease them. And every time it's based on fear and ignorance. Does it deter me? HECK NO! I do not allow the socialist nanny culture to dictate to me what I can and cannot do! I have rights just like anyone else, and they can have my detector when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!

    I would encourage you to keep with it and not fret about legislation...it kind of comes with the territory. This is AMERICA, and if any of those hippies gives you grief about your hobby GIVE 'EM YOUR WARFACE! AAARGH!!!!!
    I don't believe it has anything to do with a "socialist nanny culture"...just the absence of voice before and during the process, instead of waiting until after the debating and process has concluded.

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    A permit system would be ideal and its something the FMDAC should start persuing. It has to be a significant source of revenue and come with consequences. A $25 fee isnt enough as far as leverage is concerned. Im thinking like $100+ per year. This will keep the less serious people out of the hobby and setup an enforcement system on the people with permits. Here in NYC, there is a permit which is free of charge but is so limited in areas to detect. As of last year, there was under 400 total permits issued which IMO is so little given the amount of people who live nearby. If they charged us $100 per permit, thats $40,000 in revenue thus we could negotiate more parks into the permit ie. Central Park. Then have the rangers enforce the current permitees with stiff fines and possible suspensions if they are not doing their part.

  3. #18
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    Hi BigScoop; Right On. !!! Nothing Else to say on that. !!!! QUESTION : What about "US" Treasure Hunters unite in a Quasi type National Congress to become united enough to finally make the changes to the Laws We desire to see What say you Folks I await. PEACE:RONB

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    Well then maybe everyone who owns a detector should join the FMDAC and detector sites should have a link to join it the same way many gun sites have a link to the nra. Don.
    yeah this is fun.........i love my job.

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    I think we should have a voice and perhaps have one or two people from each state work with the FMDAC to lobby state officials to be on our side. I am a Realtor and we have RPAC which stands for (Real Estate Political Action Committee) and they lobby across the nation. Its something to think about for our hobby's future.

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    I'm thinking of writing a basic synopsis of the permit concept and how it could be setup, administered, and used to better everyone's interest. From here this synopsis could be copied on-line and sent to the appropriate lawmakers in force by everyone in the treasure hunting community. If you've not been keeping up on things, Florida is prime for this type of thing right now and it has the numbers, both resident and non-resident, to generate some really impressive revenues. And I think there is the right supporting mechanics in place for this type of thing in Florida right now. I don't know, still kicking it around?

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    Metal detecting is illegal in some areas. Your feelings, although mixed, are not indicative of true tecting reality for most people. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
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    Permit shmermit. You need a permit in NY State to hunt State parks, been that way for over twenty years, can only hunt in water or sand areas. Other than that, the only thing you need to detect is permission. Just get it and have fun. Cover your holes and haul out the trash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gleaner1 View Post
    Metal detecting is illegal in some areas. Your feelings, although mixed, are not indicative of true tecting reality for most people. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
    Just remember several versions of Chicken Little showed he was right in the end, and saved the doubters. You can sit on the sideline and talk about how it isn't going to happen, or you can be the reason it isn't going to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gleaner1 View Post
    Metal detecting is illegal in some areas. Your feelings, although mixed, are not indicative of true tecting reality for most people. The sky is falling, the sky is falling.
    Yes. The sky is falling, all around us. And if we do nothing? And as far as reality, sadly, money is also a big part of that reality, especially in these hard economic times. At present archeologist are facing a lot of possible funding cuts, which also helps to open minds and ears. There will always be places that we can't hunt so why not try to preserve those places that we can hunt instead of waiting in silence for the rest of the sky to fall?

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    I am a bit facetious. I dont need permits or permission to metal detect in NY, except in NYS parks. Do I think that will change? Not a snowball's chance in hell, stupid tv shows not withstanding. Metal tectin been around for forty plus years. Metal detecting is not harmful to the public. This topic is old hat and a sorry attempt to provoke nonsensical argument over a non issue. See you at the park, or the school, or the playground, or the beach, or a certain Mr. Jones back lawn near you, soon, and in the far future. Nobody cares about metal detecting, as long as you do not trespass or damage property. That's as simple as it gets. Metal detecting doomsday is not happening. Just not gonna happen.
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  12. #27

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    " ....so why not try to preserve those places that we can hunt instead of waiting in silence for the rest of the sky to fall ..."

    Guys -guys-guys, re.: all this talk of asking bureaucrats to implement permits, etc... Please be careful. Do NOT do this at any place where there is not currently some reason to be doing so. Because what invariably happens, when skittish people read threads like this, they really do think "the sky is falling" and "oh no, I must grovel at every city hall I come to lest I be arrested" blah blah blah. And oddly, when they go seeking clarifications, permission, and suggesting implementation of permits, etc.... guess what happens? Places where it was never a problem before (that they thought they better "pre-empt a problem"), end up getting rules and clarifications to "address this pressing issue".

    Lest you think I'm making this up, let me give you an example: Some years back, Utah's state park's dept. headquarters sent out a memo to the rank & file rangers of each state park. The letter/memo was to clarify the state park dept's stance on the use of detectors in the state parks. It went on to spell out dire restrictions ("cultural heritage" blah blah blah, you know the drill). But what was VERY telling in the letter, was the opening statements. It read something to the effect of: "The state park's dept's receives numerous inquiries each year, regarding the use of metal detectors in state parks. The following will serve to clarify the dept's stance on this subject...." And it went on to spell out sad sounding restrictions.

    Do you get it?? READ CLOSELY AGAIN the opening introduction. Apparently prior to this, it was apparently silent on the issue. And perhaps no one cared (barring obvious historic monuments, of course). But given the "numerous inquiries", look what happens? Someone in state capitol "addresses this pressing issue", and presto, invents (or clarifies, etc...) rules. And of course, you know what the easy answer is!

    So people, please, I know "permits" sounds so inviting, and rolls off the tongue. But for pete's sake don't go asking for them at places where there is no rules (or imminent talk of rules) against you. But otherwise, you risk a self-fulfilling prophecy against you, by simply making yourself a big red "x" squeeky wheel. I can give you multiple similar examples. For pete's sake can't we all just learn to be a little discreet? If you're waiting for archie's to love you, and parks with neon signs saying "metal detecting welcome here", I fear you have chosen the wrong hobby.
    Last edited by Tom_in_CA; Mar 22, 2012 at 10:36 PM.
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    Tom_in_CA just cut the legs off this whole topic of nothingness and put it into a deep sleep at about 6+ feet under forever. BAM!. Tom, you da man!!
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  14. #29
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    Gleaner, Tom.....not going to debate this same old issue with you, your opinion is always welcome and yours to express however you wish. Just keep in mind that this is something much deeper then comparing it to disgruntled MDer's facing off with authority, or the questioning of existing restrictions. This is about the proposing of a mutually advantageous program for everyone. i.e., "If" it can even be done, not too likely they would eventually pass so many bills and restrictions that it kills the source of the funding that feeds it.

    By the way, since you're both so well informed.....fill us in what has changed/been challenged in Florida in the last 5 or 6 years as far as MDing & treasure hunting restrictions go? Silence is golden, right?

  15. #30

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    bigscoop, bringing up the recent FL issue, is not a good example to give, for this topic. Because in that case, there WAS potential verbage, actually imminent (facing a vote, etc....). So the solidarity there WAS very appropriate, on our parts. But go back to my post above, and notice that I make room for this type exception, when I said:

    "Do NOT do this at any place where there is not currently some reason to be doing so. "
    Last edited by Tom_in_CA; Mar 22, 2012 at 10:47 PM.
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