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    Well I agree. The TV shows are not a good thing, as they draw more hobbyists (and ire from archies). More hobbyists means more scrutiny/exposure, etc.... Yes, we're agreed. But see how this is, when you think about it, exactly what I'm saying: STOP BRINGING LIGHT AND EXPOSURE. That is, afterall, what the shows are doing: making us a bullseye for scrutiny, right? And we would each agree that this is not a good thing, right? So .... duh, the solution: stop making ourselves a bullseye with visibility. And I think we could agree that the less govt. bureaucrats think of us, the better, right?

    So in a way, we're agreed: let's not go making waves. That is the best "pre-empting" and "pro-active" I can think of

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Well I agree. The TV shows are not a good thing, as they draw more hobbyists (and ire from archies). More hobbyists means more scrutiny/exposure, etc.... Yes, we're agreed. But see how this is, when you think about it, exactly what I'm saying: STOP BRINGING LIGHT AND EXPOSURE. That is, afterall, what the shows are doing: making us a bullseye for scrutiny, right? And we would each agree that this is not a good thing, right? So .... duh, the solution: stop making ourselves a bullseye with visibility. And I think we could agree that the less govt. bureaucrats think of us, the better, right?

    So in a way, we're agreed: let's not go making waves. That is the best "pre-empting" and "pro-active" I can think of
    Because of all the recent exposure, I really think permits are going to become a growing reality for many over the next few years. I don't think it's going to be an option. The issue here is, however, who is going to have the designing voices in the drawing up of these permits if we are not already prepared to address them with alternate solutions when the time comes? I don't think it's going to be a matter of "do we want permits?"....I think it's going to become a matter of "are we going to be prepared to have a voice in the designing and drafting of those permits when the time comes?" In fact, I'll even go as far to predict that many are not even going to have an option of a permit VS completely restricted. None of this can stop the exposure, but we can anticipate the fallout and make ready for it, and we should.

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    "I really think permits are going to become a growing reality for many over the next few years. I don't think it's going to be an option."

    And would you agree that we should not go seek these permits as a pro-active pre-emptive measure? And to only "seek" them, in the case of an actual proposed or in-effect law or rule? For example: in the case of the FL flap: to join in solidarity ONLY upon the actual proposal of such a measure or law. Not to join in seeking permits, reversals, love, etc... when no such proposals or laws are on the table, right?

    If you can agree with that, then we're in agreement. But if you say we should all run down to city, county, state and fed. seeking "permits" now (as a pro-active pre-emptive strike), then no, we would be in dis-agreement. The latter would even MORE so make us the big -red bullseye, that we both agree is exactly exposure/visibility and attention-seeking we DON'T want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    "I really think permits are going to become a growing reality for many over the next few years. I don't think it's going to be an option."

    And would you agree that we should not go seek these permits as a pro-active pre-emptive measure? And to only "seek" them, in the case of an actual proposed or in-effect law or rule?
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    First of all, nobody has said anything about an actual effort in progress to "seek permits", only that they may be a reasonable solution to the alternative and that these possibilities need to be investigated and explored.

    And No. I wish it were that simple and easy, but it's not, and here's why. Once these measures are on the table it's often impossible to turn them or to seek changes, especially true in the county and municipal regions, and as you know, not all measures are visibly placed on the table until they are already a new enforceable restriction. Unfortunately, there is no way to prepare for such things without the input of the driving, and/or opposing forces prior to the actual enacting of these restrictions.

    Another thing you may not be aware of is this....in some states, park managers, even state park managers, do have the authority to set their own restrictions for that property and these restrictions are enforceable. So as you can see, sometimes you must go to the source of those restrictions in order to understand the reasons for their existence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigscoop View Post
    ....... Once these measures are on the table it's often impossible to turn them or to seek changes, ..........
    Right. So let's not do anything more that "put's these measures on the table". Glad you and I agree now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hunt-A-Lot View Post
    I have truely been thinking all these years...I've been keeping this to myself, But if it helps in anyway to keep the hobby alive then here we go...
    As i was growing up, and living up north i had to purchase a fishing license...Per season, I only used it once but i wanted to be legal incase if someone asked if i had 1, Only used it once didn't catch much but it was like $16.00 for the license. I truely didn't know where the money went to, probably for the town that it was issued in. For road repairs or what ever they saw fit....Hunting is the same way had to get a license if you wanted to go out there to hunt for hunting season...And same thing again what they used the money from the license was probably for the town it was issued in....Now We have alot and i do mean alot of avid Metal detector hunters out there. In my own opinion and which it is an opinion...Workers from the city, county, might see differently if we purchased a Metal Detector license, for the season for the year what ever...With the money that they collect from us would go help the county that was issued in...And if someone mis treats any form of land and they get caught they will loose their license to metal detect till next year...At least with knowing this we all will be careful at what we do...Now i would pay anything to get a license to metal detect if i knew i can go out and metal detect, Mostly beaches is where i would probably go...I myself want to keep this exciting hobby around. So i am thinking of any ideas where we all can meet in the middle and all be happy...
    Like i said this is just my opinion... And In my opinion i think this will be a good idea I turely don't want to loose the ability to metal detect and i am sure everyone else here feels the same.... Thank You!!!!!!
    Hunt-A-Lot...... sinse i see you are new to Tnet i will over look what you have said here .................. For i think you must have been drinking when you wrote this..............It's one bad idea...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Right. So let's not do anything more that "put's these measures on the table". Glad you and I agree now
    Agree to what......exactly? Personally, I'm going to keep looking into possible solutions, even possible permit solutions. And I'm going to keep discreetly talking with effected parties and the people on the other end of the existing and rising issues in a pro-active way. Glad to hear you're good with that now.

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    "Agree to what......exactly?"

    Agree to do things (or the cessation of certain things) to (as you say) keep these ".... measures off the table.... ". Namely: Not do things that bring attention to ourselves, and make us a big red target/pressing issue, in need of a bureaucrat's approval. The less he/she thinks of us, the better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post

    The less he/she thinks of us, the better.
    Actually, I'd like them to think the better of us beforehand.

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    " ... Actually, I'd like them to think the better of us beforehand ...."

    Which was probably the exact wish and rationale of many people who have gone before you. But who ended up only getting rules against them to "address this pressing issue". Ie.: No one cared .... Until they asked Thus, as you said earlier: let's keep these measures "off their table". That was a brilliant stroke of genius on your part.
    Last edited by Tom_in_CA; Apr 10, 2012 at 03:24 PM.

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    I think that Tom is totally right.. The thing that scares me is that the idea these days is to just put everything under the control of the government. The statements show that some of the members of this form are against us even if they don't mean to be.. Sorry... my thoughts.
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  12. #42
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    Its a bad idea to allow the government any foothold into any type of revenue sources.

    When a government is trending toward socialism it is in constant search of new revenue and becomes more restrictive on its citizens.

    Laws once passed to control specific situations are now ignored because of changing trends.

    My vote is to keep our mouths shut until theres a need to be heard...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    " ... Actually, I'd like them to think the better of us beforehand ...."

    Which was probably the exact wish and rationale of many people who have gone before you. But who ended up only getting rules against them to "address this pressing issue". Ie.: No one cared .... Until they asked Thus, as you said earlier: let's keep these measures "off their table". That was a brilliant stroke of genius on your part.
    FYI...."again" The talk of new measures and new issues are already on some tables due to all the recent exposure and growth. So here we go again, such a vicious, unproductive circle this debate has become. And once again, let's see what the next couple of years brings and then we can recall this conversation at that time. Hope it's not a, "I told you this stuff was coming". Time will tell.

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    When it gets so bad you cant stand it anymore, just go fishing. Stop worrying and go detecting. It might not end up as bad as everyone thinks. I know, I know, if we dont do something they will take our hobby away....Im going to do something... Im going to go scratch something out of the ground.
    Last edited by lookindown; Apr 10, 2012 at 05:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lookindown View Post
    When it gets so bad you cant stand it anymore, just go fishing. Stop worrying and go detecting. It might not end up as bad as everyone thinks. I know, I know, if we dont do something they will take our hobby away....Im going to do something... Im going to go scratch something out of the ground.
    Did that "all day" yesterday....and I gotta tell ya....I was a tad bit sore today. A lot of clad but nothing shiny and exciting.
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