Aug 28, 2012, 05:45 PM
MINELAB short man syndrome
Minding my own business, working the beach the other day with my White’s TDI Pro. I ran into a retired physicist and his MINELAB detector. He ask me why I using the TDI Pro, I explained that this pulse induction detector had produced the best on the beach. He explained why his Full Band Spectrum detector would work on many frequencies and would out do my TDI Pro. I smiled and explained that in my experience VLF machines are a pain to use in highly mineralized terrain, hence I go pulse.
He asked me, “what you got today?” I pulled a men’s steel ring and a Catholic silver necklace (and course plenty of clad in my pocket). I asked him “what you got today?” He pulled out only clad in his pocket and said he was only looking for money today. “Ahhhhh…..,” I said to myself, “MINELAB short man syndrome.”
A week goes by, I’m working the negative low tide minding my own business. Another MINELAB detectorist comes by. He asks, “why the TDI PRO?” I say, “pulse induction rocks!” He says (I kid you not) “You don’t know what you are talking about.” At this point, I had several earrings and a bracelet in my pocket (including clad coins). And I said to this non-believer, “my pocket has jewelry and clad in it, what is in your pocket?” He said I was being ridiculous since he had only been there 20 minutes. I said, “okay, I’ll see you in 2 hours then.” Never saw him again. “Ah hah,” I said to myself, “MINELAB short man syndrome strikes again.”
Aug 28, 2012, 06:47 PM
Originally Posted by jcCALIF
Well this ought to be interesting.
Aug 28, 2012, 08:13 PM
IT COULD BE A VALUABLE PRIZE "YOU NEVER KNOW"
Yes it will be interesting...... You will either get a lot of flack from the ones that think Minelab is the God of detectors...... Or they will not say any thing for they are stumped..........YOU KNOW THE MINELAB CULT...
".. Let no one know what , when , or where ..'
Aug 30, 2012, 03:05 AM
Well I use the TDI, and a modified Beach Scan, and a Deepstar and when its raining a Whites Dual Field and try to average two rings each week. Sand has been deep recently even for the more powerful pulse machines and rain has been very heavy. This meant that to get my rings this week I had to switch to a Minelab Sovereign and work the areas where streams had cut through the sand almost down to the hardpack. The P.I.'s were not the best choice as the iron and general rubbish was so bad. The Sovereign worked fine, did the business and being almost set and forget I could switch on and close my waterproofs over the control box. If I had not lent out my Beach Hunter I.D. it would have done just as well being twin frequency and waterproof.
Limit yourself to one detector brand or type and it costs finds. If I had been using a Minelab BBS or FBS I would have agreed you had the depth advantage but the Minelab user will be digging less bad targets and covering more ground so could be the winner at the end of the day.
Aug 30, 2012, 07:32 AM
Aug 30, 2012, 08:44 AM
Retired US Army
For me it is not about ego and I am far from short. It is the right tool for the right job and only that. I have even had all walks of hunters tell me that GPR unit just does not get the job done.
Minelab has its proper locations to hunt like many machines, just as they can have the wrong locations.
Those bloke you ran into sound like city boy yuppies. Good for nothing other than a good chat up.
Aug 30, 2012, 02:10 PM
Come out from under your bed today...... DO SOMETHING!
It is my opinion that a side-by-side "test" of two different machines only tests two different "techniqes", not machines. A person's abilities and experience goes a long way to proving which machine is best. TTC
"At home, the ground was covered with snow and I was covered with sweat. My younger brother called me a killer and my daddy called me a vet." Still in Saigon CDB
Aug 30, 2012, 02:26 PM
It really comes down to knowing your machine more than anything. As long as I can discern what the blips, tweets and burps coming from my machine means, that's all that matters. You can spend all the money in the world on a detector, but if you don't learn it's language it won't do you any good.
Aug 30, 2012, 02:49 PM
Aug 30, 2012, 07:25 PM
You have to walk over it to find it!!! Period!!! I must admit though that the ML are probably the best detectors out there...at least thats my opinion. I am only speaking of land use and not water use. As this topic is only comparing water use, I will not pass judgement.
Sep 01, 2012, 08:23 AM
jc-calif, what you're saying (about pulse vs vlf) may be true of certain beaches in So. CA where some of those beaches (dockweiler, for instance) may have gun-powder black sand...... and it may be true of some of your "bay-watch" style beaches where there's only touristy stuff, and not a lot of iron, but what you're saying ends there. In fact, I can image if you got some great storm erosion around some of those older piers, that created conditions where targets were fast and furious (and depth became a non-issue), that what you're saying would also not apply.
Here where I'm at in CA (Monterey bay beaches, about 5 hrs. north of you), we have beaches that have industrial type history (generations of burned down wharves, fishing and commercial pasts, etc...), and others that allow beach bonfires (that introduce nails via people burning pallets), and a beach I can think of where the nails are super thick d/t harbor dredging (where the pump the sand out on to the adjacent beach). Thus I have seen smug people like yourself, show up with their pulse machines, happy that they're going to a) go super deep, b) have sensitivity to even the daintiest earing studs, etc.... c) confident they can waltz through all/any minerals, d) "not miss anything". Yet those smug hunters are sent packing when their ratios of conductive targets to iron reaches 20 to 1 Oh sure, they'll even brag "I can tell nails apart from conductive targets just by sound". But when you watch them, you see that "nagging doubts" have them digging quite a few "just to make sure". And of course we all know that bent nails will not give you the tell-tale audio clues. And also you'd have to wonder if an elongated gold stick pin, or elongated necklace might also give you the "nail" sound anyhow.
Now with all that said, I have seen a few pulse guys do ok on beaches with nails (ie.: they pass a lot of them and tromp my conductive target count by the end of the hunt). But even that one exceptional hunter I've seen do that, will admit that he too will simply leave some beaches that are riddled with nails, and will go look for "greener grounds".
One time I was under Manhattan pier near you, after a gully-wash rain had cut a channel right under that pier. The resulting sand was jet black. My vlf would barely cut through it! But giving it my best effort, I was able to pull coins (including oldies like wheaties and silver). The zone was riddled with nails (which were so numerous they resembled toothpicks lying all over the ground). Along comes a guy working his way down the beach. He was using a Whites beach pulse. As we greeted and talked, he could see that I was in a good spot (as the rest of the beach was practically sterile this day). I told him he was welcome to join me in my zone, but warned him it's full of nails, so perhaps he wasn't going to be able to. He proudly said "I can tell the difference by sound". So he proceeded to go at it. He lasted about 5 minutes, and bailed.
So you see, your analysis is not quite so simple as you make it out to be.
Metal detecting is my one worldy vice!
Sep 01, 2012, 11:22 PM
I LIKE SHINY THINGS
Originally Posted by ohmygoodness
Sep 02, 2012, 11:19 AM
sonofadigger, that's only because he didn't read my posts
Sep 02, 2012, 11:26 AM
I LIKE SHINY THINGS
He said he has read it last couple years and he has only 3 post who is this guy really
Originally Posted by spartacus53
Sep 02, 2012, 12:01 PM
a very slow writer
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