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  1. #1

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    folsom lake sra low low water level

    the water is super low, looks like you could find,some good finds
    looks like you can detect too
    City: With Low Lake Levels, Folsom Residents Must Reduce Water Use | KTXL FOX40
    http://news.yahoo.com/video/lake-wat...005036411.html
    Park Regulations and Legal References

    Subject: Mineral Collection, Use of Metal Detectors - Clarification
    5) There is no specific law against use of metal detectors. However, they may not be used for mineralogical or historical/archeological collection. They may be used for location of contemporary (i.e. recently lost) coins or personal property. If personal property is found it should be put into lost and found and may be returned to the finder if unclaimed by the original owner after a certain period of time. Again, the land/soil surface may not be disturbed.
    Larry M. Fraley Chief Ranger
    parkregs

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    Mar 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909 View Post
    the water is super low, looks like you could find,some good finds
    looks like you can detect too
    City: With Low Lake Levels, Folsom Residents Must Reduce Water Use | KTXL FOX40
    http://news.yahoo.com/video/lake-wat...005036411.html
    Park Regulations and Legal References

    Subject: Mineral Collection, Use of Metal Detectors - Clarification
    5) There is no specific law against use of metal detectors. However, they may not be used for mineralogical or historical/archeological collection. They may be used for location of contemporary (i.e. recently lost) coins or personal property. If personal property is found it should be put into lost and found and may be returned to the finder if unclaimed by the original owner after a certain period of time. Again, the land/soil surface may not be disturbed.
    Larry M. Fraley Chief Ranger
    parkregs
    cw0909, this is not the first time the waters have been down super low there. And each time the waters recede out of the fingers of the lake, then little burgs that used to be miner tent cities, etc.... get revealed. Eg. old roads come into view, old foundations, etc.... And all of those have long since been worked. There's been seateds, barbers, IH's, chinese cash coins, and even some bust coins found. But the most obvious of spots have long-since been stripped of all conductive targets. Not sure if the present low-ness of level has gone down to reveal anything that was previously deeper still. The most colorful of the towns to be covered when Folsom lake was formed, was mormon island. However, it would be under the deepest portions of the lake, up by the actual front walls of the dam itself. Hence I don't think it will ever be revealed, unless the water were completely drained. Any visible ruins of THAT town supposedly visible now, would only be buildings that were on the outskirts of that town, higher up in elevation.

    Another problem you'll have if the water's ever got low enough for those lowest of submerged ruins, is sediments. Because man-made reservoirs (dams) have the inherent problem of collecting sediment that washes in from the incoming tributaries. And that settles down to the lowest points of the reservoir, and .... over decades, causes bottom reservoirs to loose depth and capacity. But this didn't seem to be an issue in the upper fingers of the lake, because foundations weren't covered, and targets were easily within reach still.

    I like how you cite the laws about metal detectors Yup, we weren't hunting for, nor did we find any "historic" and "archaeological" items. And if found by accident, we left them right there, of course . And naturally, sure, we turned all our modern items in to lost and found as well, according to those rules. DOH! And "disturbing the soil surface"? Well OF COURSE I/we only picked up the items that were ON TOP of the ground, and dare didn't retrieve them if the beep wasn't seen visibly on top of the ground. I mean, ........... seriously now.
    Last edited by Tom_in_CA; Dec 24, 2013 at 10:32 AM.

  3. #3

    Dec 2006
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    hi tom, ya we have the same dig prob here, in state and most county parks, i know everyone followed law
    the reports are 58% and dropping, here are more imgs,i went out and walked the melted snowpile in Pk lots
    and made 8$ change and bill, and that was just 2 pklots, next warm up ill try the mall pklot

    Folsom Lake at 58% Capacity and Dropping - Featured Photo Galleries - The Sacramento Bee

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    Aug 2013
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    I find the regulations ridiculous, but its the law. It would be a great place to detect due to the history of the area and I only live about 20 minutes away so if the regulations weren't there I'd definitely try it out sometime.

    As for any metal detectorist that knowingly disregards laws and regulations, they are a disgrace to the hobby. They're dragging down responsible detectorists down with them and threaten the hobby's existence.
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  5. #5

    Mar 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by JunkDetector View Post
    I find the regulations ridiculous, but its the law. It would be a great place to detect due to the history of the area and I only live about 20 minutes away so if the regulations weren't there I'd definitely try it out sometime.

    As for any metal detectorist that knowingly disregards laws and regulations, they are a disgrace to the hobby. They're dragging down responsible detectorists down with them and threaten the hobby's existence.
    junkdetector, what you're saying is a noble. Just curious: where do you detect then? Because trust me: such rules as you read cited here, are *not* just state-of-CA (or federal or whatever) rules. I suspect that if you looked long enough and hard enough at even city or county rules where you're at, you'd find similar things. Ie.: for cities, invariably, there's going to be something that forbids "altering", "defacement", "taking", "collecting", "harvesting", and so forth. And given enough morphing, sure, could be said to prohibit you from hunting even the most innocuous of city park modern sandboxes.

    So I'm assuming you only hunt private land, right?

  6. #6
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    Jan 2013
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    Speaking of Folsom Lake - check this out. Water levels are so low, an old gold rush town was seen again. And son of a gun - they're saying it is Mormon island. So like Tom say's, it's probably the higher elevation buildings.

    Folsom Lake dry spell reveals submerged gold rush town | News - KCRA Home
    Last edited by sidvail; Dec 30, 2013 at 09:48 PM.
    'Never fear in the dark, that which you believed in the light..."

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    Reminds me of Texas a couple of years ago...

    2011 Texas Drought - a set on Flickr

  8. #8

    Mar 2007
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    sid-vail, thanx for the link. A few tid-bits from it:

    "Visitors can still make out the footprint of buildings believed to be a dairy and a winery that once stood in the hills above the town, along with the winding Natomas canal -- a ditch lined by tree stumps.
    "

    and

    "Much of the town is still under about 90 feet of water, according to some estimates.
    "

    Yes, despite how the article may make it sound, these particular ruins/foundations have been exposed before. Maybe they're a bit higher now, but nonetheless, exposed. And as the text says, the larger portion is NOT revealed. The lake would practically have to be drained to reveal the town center area.

    And you've got to love this quote:


    "It's also against state law to remove items from a state park."


    Well gee, SO TOO is it "against the law" to "remove" items from ANY park, of ANY entity (city, county, state, or federal). There's ALWAYS going to be obligatory verbage to prohibit collecting, taking, harvesting, etc... of any speck of public land. You know, so that no numbskull thinks he can help himself to the park benches, or start harvesting sand or rock for his quarry, etc.... Can those type things be made to apply to singular coins, seashells, pulltabs, etc....? SURE! All you have to do is keep asking enough people in city hall, with the right combination of buzzwords, and you can get it to apply. Yup, even to that penny you just "took" from the modern sandbox at your city park. Shame on you.

  9. #9

    Mar 2007
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    But realistically, all joking aside, the "sensitive" (ie.: someone "really cares") area of this particular state park, would be in this zone. I mean, ..... it's akin to a monument, visible hot-spot, news clips like this link, and so forth. So common sense dictates to take heed here.

    However, further back up in the canyons (the fingers of this same reservoir, which are also now dry) were some other small burgs. Just little tent city towns, and some foundations etc... A few miles upstream, that are/were not the "Mormon Island" town proper. Those have been detected (not sure if they're still within the "state" park boundries?) in the past, since they get exposed more often. And I think haven't had water over them, for that matter, for many years now? Even a coin purse with a dozen or so gold-rush era coins was found in the vicinity.

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    Ya that's about as wacky as it gets. I was "informed" by a police officer in a (shall remain unnamed) town, " You can detect all you want but you can't dig". As I gazed out over the beach where people were digging clams, and kids were digging holes along with their dog, truth and justice for all....lol! I guess not!

  11. #11

    Mar 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by Msbeepbeep View Post
    Ya that's about as wacky as it gets. I was "informed" by a police officer in a (shall remain unnamed) town, " You can detect all you want but you can't dig". As I gazed out over the beach where people were digging clams, and kids were digging holes along with their dog, truth and justice for all....lol! I guess not!
    You know why those people were digging clams and didn't seem to have a problem ? Because they didn't ask. I gaurantee you that if I went to that location, and asked high enough up the chain of bureaucracy "can I dig holes?", they would be obliged to tell me "no". Then alas, I would get on clam-digger forums, and let everyone else know that "such & such place is off-limits". And we'd all lament how we're loosing places to dig clams. And we'd start the FCDC organization (Federation of Clam Diggers Clubs) to form a solidarity to fight to regain our rights (like the FMDAC, except for clam diggers).

    But alas, unlike md'rs, none of those clam diggers has apparently ever asked. So apparently it's never been an issue. Those silly clam diggers! They've missed 30 yrs. to evolve on this, like we md'rs have. Such a shame

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    Quote Originally Posted by JunkDetector View Post
    I find the regulations ridiculous, but its the law. It would be a great place to detect due to the history of the area and I only live about 20 minutes away so if the regulations weren't there I'd definitely try it out sometime.

    As for any metal detectorist that knowingly disregards laws and regulations, they are a disgrace to the hobby. They're dragging down responsible detectorists down with them and threaten the hobby's existence.
    BE careful with talk like that. I was threatened with being banned for telling someone not to violate the law.

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    us
    Jan 2013
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    Well, I for one am going out there to look around. I just gotta see this spot that may not show up again for a long time. But then again, maybe next year it will be back. Still - anytime I have a chance to look at some history, I'm there. I just watched a video on KCRA showing an old bridge down there that looks normal now (water flowing under it instead of covering it). Come on, that's cool

    Since I can't dig - maybe I'll bring my 4 year old niece and her plastic bucket and shovel. Let her do it for me. LOL
    'Never fear in the dark, that which you believed in the light..."

  14. #14

    Mar 2007
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    Quote Originally Posted by sidvail View Post
    Since I can't dig - maybe I'll bring my 4 year old niece and her plastic bucket and shovel. Let her do it for me. LOL
    Wouldn't that be illegal for the 4 yr. old to do ?

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    Jan 2013
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    More than likely - but who can say no to a 4 year old beauty playing in the sand
    'Never fear in the dark, that which you believed in the light..."

 

 
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