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    Visiting physician sheds new light on Lyme disease - Martha's Vineyard Times

    “Sudden-onset dementia should really be a red flag for Lyme [disease], especially in people with compromised immune systems,” she said.

    The conception that the tick has to be attached for 48 hours to inject the bacteria is completely outdated,” she said. “There are studies that show that an attachment of 15 minutes can give you anaplasmosis,10 minutes for the Powassan virus, and for the different strains of Borrelia burgdorferi, we have no idea.”

    She also said the two-day course of doxycycline, often prescribed for people who find a tick embedded on their body, has little or no prophylactic value. “It should be 100 to 200 milligrams of doxycycline twice a day for 20 days, regardless of the time of engorgement,” she said. “It is not a two-day thing.”
    It is best as one grows older to strip oneself of possessions, to shed oneself downward like a tree, to be almost wholly earth before one dies.

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    Title? old fart

    Jun 2014
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    we deal with ticks here all the time, have had Rocky Mountain tick etc. Lymes disease is a rough one too, several in my family have struggled with it. good info

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    Thanks for the link!

    You just have to make sure your skin is thicker than your coat.

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    Thank you for the information!

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    Nov 2011
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    Hi; Lyme Disease is no joke for sue. A friend of mine got it from a tick. He has nervous fits, convulsions, migraines and a LOT of other neurological problems from it. He even has had a Heart Attack. He's 39.!!!! Take heed of this stuff ok Folks. It could save your life literally. Stay safe out there ok guys. PEACE:RONB

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    Thanks for the info and treatment.
    The_Piratess, A2coins and SanMan like this.

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    Nov 2011
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    Hi; I think this Article should be Pinned to the Top here given it's extremely serious threat to Us Treasure Hunters here. I'm gonna ask the MODs ok. PEACE:RONB

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    Apr 2014
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    First let me thank Barker for his part in bringing the topic of Lyme disease up, and I'd also like to thank the mods for making his post a sticky post. Hopefully every member reads it and is more cautious because of it.

    My name is Mike. I became infected with Lyme disease in May of 2000 and have been fighting it since then. I still have issues because of Lyme disease, but am doing much better than I was. My purpose for writing this is to help people understand what it is like having Lyme disease.

    I wrote a book about my experiences with Lyme disease. Don't worry, I'm not trying to sell anyone the book (it isn't in print anyway). If someone wishes to read that book, please send me a message with your email address and I'll send you the manuscript. It won't cost you a penny. I'm not going to pretend that the book is well written — I wrote it when I was very ill and now wish I had waited until I was more capable of doing a good job. The book is what it is though and it might help people understand what it is like having Lyme disease.

    I don't get into all the medical aspects: I can't tell people what will work, or what won't work. I can say what has helped me and what seems to make things worse. Lyme disease does not affect everyone the same way; some people respond to certain treatments far better than others, just as some of those infected with Lyme disease suffer far more than others.

    Prevention is the key; never go into areas that are prone to having ticks without protection (repellent, long pants, etc..).

    If you are bitten by a tick, always seek medical treatment and insist that they do a test for Lyme disease. I would also demand that I was put on heavy doses of antibiotics for 3 weeks or so — and I'd go to a different doctor if the one I went to refused. Lyme disease tests are noted for being unreliable, but don't let that stop you from being tested. The most reliable test is a bit expensive — something around $100 — but that is money well spent if you can catch Lyme disease in its early stages.

    I do not believe Lyme disease can be cured. Some will tell you otherwise, but most of them haven't had Lyme disease. The medical field seems to be split on that specific aspect of Lyme disease, just as it is divided with regards to all the aspects of Lyme disease.

    I do believe Lyme disease can be controlled; especially if it is caught in the very early stages (when first infected).

    If infected with Lyme disease, do your best to find a Lyme literate doctor. They are difficult to find and typically do not take insurance, but they're worth the cost and the effort.

    Most of those infected with Lyme disease do not get the tell-tale bull's eye rash (around the bite area). Those who do get the tell-tale bull's eye rash — definitely have Lyme disease.

    My Lyme literate doctor told me that there are 4 known variations of Lyme disease. I do not recall the specific names of those variations, but two are far and away the most common. My doctor claimed that 98% of Lyme infections are one of those two variations: both of which have symptoms that are relatively mild in retrospect but still no picnic.

    Those symptoms involve severe flu-like symptoms for multiple days, joint pain (usually involving a major joint — such as a knee) swelling of the joints (usually a knee) horrible headaches and severe fatigue. Those symptoms can last for years — even long after medical experts have declared the patient to be cured of Lyme disease.

    The other two, far less common, strains of Lyme disease are far more serious.

    I was “lucky” and contracted one of those two (far more serious) variations of Lyme disease. The uncommon strains attack the host's central nervous system — spirochetes burrow their way into the brain, the eyes, all the organs, and they develop an immunity to the antibiotic used to kill them. As the spirochetes are killed, the patient becomes violently ill due to the spirochetes releasing toxins into the host (they burst when dying).

    Everything is affected in a negative manner: your ability to think, your ability to see, your ability to walk, your ability to function. Your joints hurt constantly — so much so that it is really difficult to move. Your balance fails — making it seem like you're drunk or otherwise incapacitated. Your speech is slurred and you can't finish sentences because it is impossible to remember what you were talking about.

    I've lost entire days — unable to remember a single thing that happened during the day. This isn't just a matter of not recalling something that happened last week — it's a matter of not recalling anything from the prior minute.

    I've gotten lost in known areas right around my home. This happened frequently to me. I'd drive into town and get lost — and I've lived in this area for 24 years. I had no idea of where I was, or how to get home. I'd just continue driving, hoping that something would trigger a memory and I'd find my way home. Sometimes it would take minutes, and sometimes it took me hours of wondering around aimlessly.

    I'd get stabbing, shooting, lightning strike, pains throughout my body (I still get them on occasion). The pain is incredible and it strikes anywhere at anytime — it could be my foot, my neck, my stomach, or even my — well, let's just say areas you don't want that kind of pain.

    In the past I would have this weird sensation of things crawling just under my skin. It would happen all over my body and it was enough to drive one mad. Scratching did nothing to help, but I scratched myself to the point that I'd bleed all over.

    I'd get muscle spasms so severe that they'd pull my vertebrae out of joint. I'd lay on a heating pad turned to high — enough so that I still have burn scars on my back — just to relieve some of the pain.

    I was always fatigued. Severely so; simple tasks would require hours of rest just so I could function in a depleted state. There were many times when I couldn't walk 50 yards if it meant saving my own life — I just couldn't manage it.

    I could go on and on about the results of having Lyme disease. I've barely scratched the surface when it comes to trying to describe what it is like living with Lyme disease — and I'm one of the more fortunate victims of this disease, I am much better than I was. There are many who suffered far more than I did, and many who are still suffering after having the disease for 20 years or more.

    I took antibiotics for 16 full years — large doses of varying antibiotics, always changing to combat the ability of the spirochetes to develop immunity — and that too has had negative effects.

    Lyme disease has all but ruined me financially. I've paid nearly all of my medical expenses out of my own pocket (insurance tends to not cover things and most Lyme literate doctors do not accept insurance). Still, I'm one of the lucky people who could get treatment; there are many who cannot and do not.

    Lyme disease affects every aspect of my life. Be that physical, or mental, or economical, or emotional. And the latter may well be the most difficult.

    It is tough enough losing one's physical abilities, but that really is to be expected just with aging alone. To a lesser degree the same can be said about mental abilities and finances, but I wasn't prepared for the emotional difficulties.

    I can't do today what I could easily do 20 years ago. I think everyone who has reached my age can honestly say that. But the difference is that I can't do today, what I could've done today if I hadn't been infected with Lyme disease. It just isn't possible. In a sense, Lyme disease has aged me rapidly, and I've lost a good chunk of my life.

    But it isn't just the loss of my abilities that I'm talking about. Lyme disease sort of slaps you with a cold, hard reality: you don't matter. That's a tough lesson to learn. At least it was for me. It's amazing how quickly people move on with their lives — leaving you to your own struggles just when you could really use some help.

    That is an issue that just about every Lymie struggles with.

    For now I am doing much better. It's been a tough battle but I'm doing OK and I'll fight Lyme disease until I draw my last breath. I expect it will win in the end, as lots of people die from this disease, but it won't win because I quit trying.

    Hopefully those who read this far too long post will have a better understanding of what it is like living with Lyme disease. With any luck at all, my words will make you far more aware of the threat that Lyme disease presents without making you fear the outdoors.
    Last edited by Tahts-a-dats-ago; May 12, 2017 at 11:09 PM.

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    Sorry Honey, I can’t. I’ve got plans with my metal detector.

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    Hard read....
    But worth it.
    Thanks for sharing your story.....hang in there

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    Apr 2014
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    A few thoughts that I forgot to put in my post above.

    I had success with antibiotics – lots and lots of them. Some people do not have success with antibiotics.

    Doing away with sugar seems to help me a lot. That means no soda, no sweets, no bread, no starch. Sometimes I cheat and do eat breads/starches. If I do so too much, I start feeling much worse.

    Exercise seems to help me. Simple things such as metal detecting, wood working, or just doing stuff around the yard helps me to feel better. It's usually rough when I first get moving, but after a bit I do notice that the pain is much less severe.

    I take breaks as I need them. Exerting myself too much still makes me ill, so I've learned to do what I can and rest as I need to.

    It is possible to be infected (Lyme disease) multiple times. I always wear repellent when I'm outside and I spread insecticide on our yard and into the woods. I also keep things trimmed well, so there's less chance of ticks in the first place.

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    Mar 2013
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    They are horrible he in nortwestern PA. My dad has had Lymes for 2 years now. I swear it has aged him 10. It is almost impossible to go into the woods and not have them one you. One day in Archery season last year I walk through some goldenrod and had over thirty on me. Both wood ticks and deer ticks. I myself have been bit 7 or 8 times. I started using Sawyers spray this year. Both the kind you treat your clothes with and the kind you spray directly on your skin. I have had ticks on my since then but have not been bit, and the ones on my clothes were dead. How bad is the stuff for you in the long run? I have no idea. But I am a reactor operator in a chemical plant, so personaly I deal with alot deadly agents. At this point though I would recomend Sawyer's spray.
    Last edited by Rocklander; May 12, 2017 at 08:57 PM.

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    It is best as one grows older to strip oneself of possessions, to shed oneself downward like a tree, to be almost wholly earth before one dies.

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    May 2013
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    Thank you VERY much for sharing, Tahts-a-dats-ago. And best wishes in your fight against Lyme's.

    I'm 100% serious when I ask this, I don't mean this as a joke, but do any "flea & tick collars" for dogs or cats work for people as well? I would think there's got to be something helpful there for us. And are those collars even 100% preventative for dogs and cats against all types of ticks?

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    Jul 2015
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    I wouldn't recommend using flea and tick collars, they contain permethryin or something which I think is harmful to most humans. Maybe one around each pants leg? Though I have on occasion, in the past, lathered up with "Hartz 2 in 1" and Sargeants dog shampoo, after a bout with chiggers up to my armpits in July and add on a sunburn to boot. I use castor oil now occasionally, massage it in, mostly legs, seems to repel ticks n chiggers. I use "Off" too on clothes.

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    May 2013
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    Thanks, Walnuttree


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