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  1. #1
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    Could you please offer some insight?

    Hi Everyone,

    I have been working on my treasure leads for the year and need some input.

    Specifically, the La Muneca/Arapaho Princess treasure lead describes a rock that looks like a doll.

    Just out of curiosity, what would a doll look like from the early to mid 1800s that the Native Americans would reference?

    Any input would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Patrick
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    "The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir

    Ozymandias
    Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1792 - 1822

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    ‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

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    I had to look up that legend to get the gist of it. Sounds like a myriad of others that were spun in the treasure mag's of the 1960s and '70s. After awhile, they all sort of started to sound the same

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    The head of a Doll?
    Or
    The whole Body of a Doll.?

    I'd look for Something Native American (from that Period) & something the White Folk (Style) that would have been the Norm in the time period yr talking about.

    I really no not much about Gliff's , or old/ Ancient Carved Rocks , or Rocks the look like Faces or People.

    I find if I stare at a rock ,or rock wall long enough Ill eventually see a face , as our brains are set up to seek them out.

    GL on your Quest.
    Davers
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    As I am finding , In life we begin having the Blissful happiness & the Wonder & innocence of a Child, then fall Quickly, then spend the rest of our lives trying to reach that point where we began ,through Pleasure , Fame, & Materials but Only 'Through true faith in Jesus , can we find Prefect Happiness or true Meaning in our Short lives on this Beautiful Earth filled with both the Light of Pure goodness & The Darkness of Pure Evil. D.

    That Said, I judge No Man.
    Davers

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    Well, I found this rock and that is what made me look at the treasure lead. Not sure if it looks like a doll. It kind of reminds me of the gopher from the movie Caddyshack.

    I have challenged some of the logic to the tale and followed a more likely route and it leads to the rock I found.

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    "The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir

    Ozymandias
    Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1792 - 1822

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    ‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickD View Post
    Hi Everyone,

    I have been working on my treasure leads for the year and need some input.

    Specifically, the La Muneca/Arapaho Princess treasure lead describes a rock that looks like a doll.

    Just out of curiosity, what would a doll look like from the early to mid 1800s that the Native Americans would reference?

    Any input would be appreciated.

    Thanks,

    Patrick
    Here is a photo of a Civil War era doll.
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    “It is best as one grows older to strip oneself of possessions, to shed oneself downward like a tree, to be almost wholly earth before one dies.”

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    maybe it wasnt a 30ft doll, maybe a wrist/rock marker sticking out of the ground

    a post here that gypsy did
    The Doll Rock Gold......Aguilar,Colorado

    about the word muñeca
    The strange history of muñeca | Spanish Linguist
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  7. #7
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    Interesting link about the origin of the word, especially about it might mean a mile marker. The people in my family would maybe call a tall standing rock a 'muñeca' but they're Mexican-Indian, and the people down there searching for gold were Spaniards, and a lot of difference in their language and what we speak around the house. I have a really hard time talking to native Spaniards. So the milestone definition might have some significance.
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    Just like Texas in 1880.

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    There is a difference in languages. The Spaniards spoke high or noble Spanish. Where I lived in Texas had a lot of hybrid tex-mex Spanish. There were many words one would speak that the other did not understand.

    There is more to this area than just the Spanish. After the Spanish were here for a couple hundred years, the French had ownership. There were also bandits/outlaws, settlers, miners and the like.

    I am just trying to get an idea of what a doll would have looked like. In my mind, I keep coming up with like corn husk figures.

    Essentially, does that rock formation I found appear to be a doll or just a rock.

    I might be barking up the wrong tree but it's still a tree.

    Patrick
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    "The mountains are calling and I must go." - John Muir

    Ozymandias
    Percy Bysshe Shelley, 1792 - 1822

    I met a traveller from an antique land
    Who said: “Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
    Stand in the desert . . . Near them, on the sand,
    Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
    And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
    Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
    Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
    The hand that mocked them, and the heart that fed:
    And on the pedestal these words appear:
    ‘My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
    Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!'
    Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
    Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
    The lone and level sands stretch far away.”

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    Quote Originally Posted by PatrickD View Post
    There is a difference in languages. ... Where I lived in Texas had a lot of hybrid tex-mex Spanish.
    Patrick
    Heck .. In the area where my ranch was in Texas, there were some people that knew no Spanish at all, but might as well been speaking Swahili .. I never could understand what those folks were saying, and they were 3rd generation bonafide, certified born and bread Texans.
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    “It is best as one grows older to strip oneself of possessions, to shed oneself downward like a tree, to be almost wholly earth before one dies.”

  10. #10
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    My wife said it looked like a bear, not a doll, haha! Of course that observation goes to the particular person's perspective, frame of mind, and background and upbringing. I'd still check around it cause singular landmarks always attract people's curiousity and you might find historic or pre-historic artifacts around it. If you ever get that all figured out, come over to Mt. Princeton and point out the Spanish Princess for me in the chalk cliffs. I've never been able to spot that.
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    Just like Texas in 1880.

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    Sleeves or shawls make area beyond shoulders seem squared off on some...
    old arapaho dolls - Google Search
    Last edited by releventchair; Jun 04, 2017 at 02:21 PM.
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  12. #12
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    Hey,

    Very glad you posted these pictures. I am pretty new to the whole treasure hunting thing, and mostly been confined to reasearch, hoping to find time for some actually field work. However I believe I 'found' the same rock outcropping, though I just happened to stumble on it while exploring the area with my wife. I was not in the area looking, but I have done a considerable amount of research on the Arapaho Princess Treasure. I also believe that a good deal of the common logic concerning the location does not add up. I just recently returned from the area, but didn't get a picture of the rock outcropping. I am curious, what led you to this area, and did you go up the hill and investigate further, I know it is steep. Like I said I just happened to see it while passing through and couldn't believe my eyes so I stopped. It was actually the cliff face above which attracted my eyes. Only after looking closer did I notice the oddities of this one you posted. Knowing I was in the general region I made a note of the location for further investigation.

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    Sorry Patrick D,

    Your photograph looks like a prairie dog not a princess.

    Regards

    LUE-Hawn

 

 

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