Confederate gold, on the History Channel.......!!

[Steve the water hunter]

HEY, anyone heard about that new show those Upper Peninsula of Michigan guys are in,"Confederate Gold in Lake Michigan"..... The Lagina brothers, I think their names are, from that "Oak Island" money pit thing in Canada, are in it...........This show's about "Confederate Gold" RIGHT NEAR MY BACKYARD, is really interesting, it involves a lot about Muskegon, I guess, lots of folks around my area are really excited about it....Supposedly somewhere betwixt Muskegon and Pentwater, and aroond and aboot 1865-ish, a barge or boxcar with Confederate gold on it or in it got sunk into Lake Michigan, when word came the Confederacy surrendered, thereby preventing the Union from latching hold of it. SUPPOSEDLY.........Some guy claims he has solid proof, it's still out there, worth some $200 million, today....YES, I'm going to watch it, tomorrow at 10:00PM, History Channel, baby!!!

 

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[Peyton Manning]

more fake news, nothing will be found

 

[Red James Cash]

Cool,I can't wait to miss it.Same ole crap,different day,deeper pile,smaller shovel.More brain washing for the massesSad but true.

 

[: Michael-Robert.]

Based largely on a deathbed confession relayed in 1973. The story about how rebel gold found its way into Lake Michigan seems plausible -- as plausible, anyway, as any of the other folklore based on the 150-year-old legend of the Confederate treasury, which vanished under fairly well-known circumstances in 1865.
There's even an established Michigan connection. Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, was captured on May 10, 1865 by members of the Fourth Michigan Cavalry near Irwinville, Ga., about a month after the fall of Richmond.
Davis had fled Richmond with the rebels' hard currency reserves. Accounts differ on the exact size and makeup of the treasure, but it's generally thought to have been about $1 million worth of gold, silver and jewelry.
According to historical account, the treasure was gone by the time the cavalry caught up with Davis and his men, who had little money on them.
What happened to the treasure? Here's a theory. Here it goes:
General H.G. Robert Minty

Courtesy | Rand Bitter​

A colonel with the Fourth Michigan named Robert Horatio George Minty went back down to Georgia more than a decade after Davis was captured and dug up the hidden gold.
Minty, who retired as a Brigadier General, was wrongfully court-martialed during the war. This gave him motive to commit treason.
Minty, who worked as a railroad superintendent after the war, somehow managed to get the treasure onto a boxcar headed north for Michigan. His destination: Upper Peninsula copper country, a region with known gold deposits.
To get there, the gold needed to cross Lake Michigan. In 1892, the Ann Arbor Railroad began using coal-powered lake ferries to bypass congested Chicago train yards. From Frankfort, the ferries served ports in Wisconsin and the U.P.
In dire straits, rail cars were sometimes pushed overboard in rough seas.
During one side-scan sonar search of the lake off Frankfort in 2012, a coal car was found on the lake bottom. This could indicate the deathbed confession is accurate and gold is real.
Is the boxcar is out there and waiting to be found this spring?
Do the dots connect?
Many dots to this theory hold water.
Rand Bitter, a former Ford Motor Co. design cost specialist who self-published an exhaustively researched 2006 book called "Minty and his Cavalry: A History of the Sabre Brigade," thinks the theory is built on a shaky foundation.
Colonel Minty, Bitter said, was not present when Davis was captured by men led by a subordinate officer, Lt. Col. Benjamin D. Pritchard of Allegan.
If three tons of gold had been hidden away in a hurry by Prichard and his men, how would Minty have coordinated that from 150 miles away? He wouldn't have even known about it. They had to send a courier with word that Davis had been captured.
A painting depicting the fall of Richmond, Va. in 1865.

Library of Congress​

Other elements of the Minty connection are suspect, Minty's postwar railroad employment never put him in the right position to manage a secret boxcar all the way from Georgia to Michigan.
After the war, Minty's first wife, Grace Ann Abbott, was apparently seen in Traverse City with a necklace made from a Confederate gold coin sovereign -- a detail that supports the theory.
Here, the coin necklace was real. It was most likely given to Minty following Davis' capture. The cavalryman also got Davis' revolver and holsters, which are now on display in a Richmond museum. He never got any reward money for the capture.
But the hardest part to reconcile is the family connection. Minty scandalously moved to Indiana in the 1870s and started a second family with his wife Grace's sister, Laura Abbott. Minty essentially became persona non grata with the much of the Abbott family after that.
It's an important detail because Minty's brother-in-law, George Alexander Abbott, was the person who allegedly made the deathbed confession about a boxcar full of gold in Lake Michigan to a friend of Monroe's grandfather.
From depositions taken after Minty's death, it's quite clear George Abbott did not care much for Minty after the cavalryman's affair.
Frankfort ready for gold seekers
If the deathbed confession turns out to be true and gold is found, I think preserving the history and putting closure to the legend is something that could be a benefit to all.

 

[13dolphins1]

Based largely on a deathbed confession relayed in 1973. The story about how rebel gold found its way into Lake Michigan seems plausible -- as plausible, anyway, as any of the other folklore based on the 150-year-old legend of the Confederate treasury, which vanished under fairly well-known circumstances in 1865.
There's even an established Michigan connection. Jefferson Davis, president of the Confederacy, was captured on May 10, 1865 by members of the Fourth Michigan Cavalry near Irwinville, Ga., about a month after the fall of Richmond.
Davis had fled Richmond with the rebels' hard currency reserves. Accounts differ on the exact size and makeup of the treasure, but it's generally thought to have been about $1 million worth of gold, silver and jewelry.
According to historical account, the treasure was gone by the time the cavalry caught up with Davis and his men, who had little money on them.
What happened to the treasure? Here's a theory. Here it goes:
General H.G. Robert Minty

Courtesy | Rand Bitter​

A colonel with the Fourth Michigan named Robert Horatio George Minty went back down to Georgia more than a decade after Davis was captured and dug up the hidden gold.
Minty, who retired as a Brigadier General, was wrongfully court-martialed during the war. This gave him motive to commit treason.
Minty, who worked as a railroad superintendent after the war, somehow managed to get the treasure onto a boxcar headed north for Michigan. His destination: Upper Peninsula copper country, a region with known gold deposits.
To get there, the gold needed to cross Lake Michigan. In 1892, the Ann Arbor Railroad began using coal-powered lake ferries to bypass congested Chicago train yards. From Frankfort, the ferries served ports in Wisconsin and the U.P.
In dire straits, rail cars were sometimes pushed overboard in rough seas.
During one side-scan sonar search of the lake off Frankfort in 2012, a coal car was found on the lake bottom. This could indicate the deathbed confession is accurate and gold is real.
Is the boxcar is out there and waiting to be found this spring?
Do the dots connect?
Many dots to this theory hold water.
Rand Bitter, a former Ford Motor Co. design cost specialist who self-published an exhaustively researched 2006 book called "Minty and his Cavalry: A History of the Sabre Brigade," thinks the theory is built on a shaky foundation.
Colonel Minty, Bitter said, was not present when Davis was captured by men led by a subordinate officer, Lt. Col. Benjamin D. Pritchard of Allegan.
If three tons of gold had been hidden away in a hurry by Prichard and his men, how would Minty have coordinated that from 150 miles away? He wouldn't have even known about it. They had to send a courier with word that Davis had been captured.
A painting depicting the fall of Richmond, Va. in 1865.

Library of Congress​

Other elements of the Minty connection are suspect, Minty's postwar railroad employment never put him in the right position to manage a secret boxcar all the way from Georgia to Michigan.
After the war, Minty's first wife, Grace Ann Abbott, was apparently seen in Traverse City with a necklace made from a Confederate gold coin sovereign -- a detail that supports the theory.
Here, the coin necklace was real. It was most likely given to Minty following Davis' capture. The cavalryman also got Davis' revolver and holsters, which are now on display in a Richmond museum. He never got any reward money for the capture.
But the hardest part to reconcile is the family connection. Minty scandalously moved to Indiana in the 1870s and started a second family with his wife Grace's sister, Laura Abbott. Minty essentially became persona non grata with the much of the Abbott family after that.
It's an important detail because Minty's brother-in-law, George Alexander Abbott, was the person who allegedly made the deathbed confession about a boxcar full of gold in Lake Michigan to a friend of Monroe's grandfather.
From depositions taken after Minty's death, it's quite clear George Abbott did not care much for Minty after the cavalryman's affair.
Frankfort ready for gold seekers
If the deathbed confession turns out to be true and gold is found, I think preserving the history and putting closure to the legend is something that could be a benefit to all.

That was interesting thanks for sharing

 

[Honest Samuel]

I do not believe this story, will not watch the show which is a good thing.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

more fake news, nothing will be found

And as for all the tidbits that embrym tells of this story : I have never seen a treasure story that isn't filled with iron-clad concrete cliff-hangers. They will ALL contain some elements of person's names, dates, events, etc.... And then throw in a few " ... It has been said that ..." type speculations, and presto: You have a million pounds of gold in box car somewhere.

 

[Truth]

I’m always looking for anything that has something remotely to my interests. I will differently watch this it has to be better than 95% of the **** on these days.

 

[Tom_in_CA]

I’m always looking for anything that has something remotely to my interests.....

And now doubt, this will pique your interests. THEY ALL DO. They're all compelling and seemingly undeniable. After all, if Indiana Jones had found an empty tomb, with no boobie traps, poison darts, and swashbuckling natives, then it wouldn't have been "interesting". So too will Hollywood bolster all the speculations, driven by convincing actor scene recreations, etc....

Kind of reminds me of when we were kids and watch some goofy documentaries on Big foot or Loch Ness Monster. By the time the show was over, our eyes were as big as silver dollars, and we were shuttering in fear of the monsters certain to lurk in the hills behind our house. So too is the power of Hollywood when they make this treasure-bunk.

 

[Truth]

And now doubt, this will pique your interests. THEY ALL DO. They're all compelling and seemingly undeniable. After all, if Indiana Jones had found an empty tomb, with no boobie traps, poison darts, and swashbuckling natives, then it wouldn't have been "interesting". So too will Hollywood bolster all the speculations, driven by convincing actor scene recreations, etc....

Kind of reminds me of when we were kids and watch some goofy documentaries on Big foot or Loch Ness Monster. By the time the show was over, our eyes were as big as silver dollars, and we were shuttering in fear of the monsters certain to lurk in the hills behind our house. So too is the power of Hollywood when they make this treasure-bunk.

Yeah Tom I don’t take television to seriously I can only watch COPS so many times. If it’s so bad I lose interest then I won’t watch it anymore. But I’m the guy who likes Gold Rush, Bering Sea Gold etc. Besides that I just watch murder shows to fall asleep too.

 

[trdking]

AL Capones Vault

 

[1637]

you said boobie

And now doubt, this will pique your interests. THEY ALL DO. They're all compelling and seemingly undeniable. After all, if Indiana Jones had found an empty tomb, with no boobie traps, poison darts, and swashbuckling natives, then it wouldn't have been "interesting". So too will Hollywood bolster all the speculations, driven by convincing actor scene recreations, etc....

Kind of reminds me of when we were kids and watch some goofy documentaries on Big foot or Loch Ness Monster. By the time the show was over, our eyes were as big as silver dollars, and we were shuttering in fear of the monsters certain to lurk in the hills behind our house. So too is the power of Hollywood when they make this treasure-bunk.

 

[Tnmountains]

My problem with this is that it will be a reality show with the guys from Oak Island which is dragging out for years. Consider most large treasure like the Atocha, SS Central America and the 1715 Spanish fleet. Big gold gets discovered and found and spent and.... not over years on a reality show on the History channel. These shows have never found anything yet.
Just my take on it.

 

[owlcreek]

I live at Shiloh there have been several stories told about lost gold, wagons full of payroll, gold bars and etc.

 

[Charlie P. (NY)]

Same here in NY regarding the Revolutionary War.

Cannons dumped in rivers with the barrels full of coins, British payroll wagons stolen or sunk or sunk in swamps. The lost HMS Hussar carrying gold and silver thought to be in the Hudson River at Hell's Gate

 

[Truth]

Haven’t watched it yet to give a honest opinion but viewership was high on the first airing. http://deadline.com/2018/03/curse-of-civil-war-gold-premiere-hits-paydirt-history-1202315799/amp/

 

[Honest Samuel]

Fake news.

 

[Texas Jay]

My problem with this is that it will be a reality show with the guys from Oak Island which is dragging out for years. Consider most large treasure like the Atocha, SS Central America and the 1715 Spanish fleet. Big gold gets discovered and found and spent and.... not over years on a reality show on the History channel. These shows have never found anything yet.
Just my take on it.

Remember that Mel Fisher didn't discover the Atocha overnight. He and his family spent years searching for it and lost family members in the process. I was on America Unearthed: Lincoln's Secret Assassins in 2014 so I learned the hard way that the television production companies will do many underhanded things in order to make a show a success. They lied to me, broke their promises to me, and twisted my years of research to fit their prefabricated agenda. That being said, though, the Lagina Brothers should be given at least as many years to solve the Oak Island mystery as it took Mel Fisher to find and recover treasure from the Atocha. A couple of differences exist between Mel Fisher's adventure and that of the Laginas, is that Fisher's Atocha was well-documented in the Spanish Archives whereas the Laginas are having to work with only legends and the evidence they are able to find on the island and Mel Fisher didn't have a camera crew following him around for years as he searched for the Atocha, which turned out to be the largest treasure ever recovered up to that time.
~Texas Jay

 

[Peyton Manning]

yeah! dumb old mel fisher! if he was smart he would have made money all those years having a tv show pay him
bet he would have made more from the show than the actual gold

 

[FreeBirdTim]

"The Curse of Oak Island" has been running for 4 years now (5 seasons) with a total of 61 episodes. That's 61 hours of B.S. theories, rumors and stories that have added up to jack squat. I'm glad I stopped watching it after Season 2. The show is a total waste of time now.