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    Quote Originally Posted by Back-of-the-boat View Post
    I think some of the patterns are pixelation from the angle of the camera (In computer graphics, pixelation (or pixellation in British English) is caused by displaying a bitmap or a section of a bitmap at such a large size that individual pixels, small single-colored square display elements that comprise the bitmap, are visible. Such an image is said to be pixelated (pixellated in the UK).
    Yes there is defiantly pixelation or whatever you want to call it from screen lines from the photos of the screen , I wish I could get a better picture without those but just try to ignore them and focus on the actual lines on the ground .

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    Be aware, that EVEN THOUGH SOMETHING CAN'T BE explained (ie.: the skeptics to "put it to rest with a scientific explanation), does NOT mean: "Ergo: Spooks" (or UFO or treasure or whatever).

    This would be shifting the burden of proof. It's kind of like the Oak Island psychology: Some curious unexplained object (or symmetry, or out of place rock, or squiggly line carved on a tree, or .... whatever) is present. The treasure believers say this is evidence of a treasure. And when a skeptic goes to try to "explain away" the anomoly, it becomes very easy for the musers to play 'wackamo' and likewise ... explain away the explanation. Ie.: to show that ... whatever potential explanation the skeptic gives, didn't, likewise, hold merit.

    And each time the musers/believers can do that, it only FURTHERS their notion of "treasure".

    I'm not saying, that you are saying/musing, that your O.P. satellite pix meant "treasure" (so don't get "lost in the example"). Just saying that it's easy to fill-in-the-blanks (anything un-explainable) with things that we want (subconsciously) to muse. If it were a theological discussion, this is known as a "God of the gaps" debate argument. Ie.: anything we can't explain, gets attributed to God (ie.: a proof of theism). Then a century later, when perfectly logical explanations arise (for lightening, earthquakes, etc...) then the theists/believers look mighty silly. For having filled those "gaps" with "God". Again, don't get "lost in the example" (I realize this isn't a discussion of theism/atheism). But just pointing out the easy trick of the mind.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    I just did a quick look at the current google satellite pix of my area. But it seems they were all done during a spring season (everything fairly green). So unfortunately, I'm not able to capture something right now.

    So I was about to start scanning other parts, of ours or other states, where there is cattle business, to find an example. But instead, I just made it simple and went to google images. Typed in "cow paths". And here's an example of a hit:



    As you can see: Perfectly logical explanation. But .... no ... this makes me a "troll" now, right ? Sheesk.
    I know this was mostly a reply to Mineshaft but I dont think they look like the pictures he posted and they definitely don't look anything like the ones I posted. I see cattle , sheep and game trails all the time like you posted. I have never seen anything where animals meander in strange wavy consistent lines like the ones I posted. I am sure there is an explanation logical or otherwise and thats what I am looking for . I am open to any ideas that make sense .
    As for the troll comment, I dont know why the hell you brought up the Knights Templar , that's just absurd, I never suggested they had anything to do with this LOL

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tom_in_CA View Post
    Be aware, that EVEN THOUGH SOMETHING CAN'T BE explained (ie.: the skeptics to "put it to rest with a scientific explanation), does NOT mean: "Ergo: Spooks" (or UFO or treasure or whatever).

    This would be shifting the burden of proof. It's kind of like the Oak Island psychology: Some curious unexplained object (or symmetry, or out of place rock, or squiggly line carved on a tree, or .... whatever) is present. The treasure believers say this is evidence of a treasure. And when a skeptic goes to try to "explain away" the anomoly, it becomes very easy for the musers to play 'wackamo' and likewise ... explain away the explanation. Ie.: to show that ... whatever potential explanation the skeptic gives, didn't, likewise, hold merit.

    And each time the musers/believers can do that, it only FURTHERS their notion of "treasure".

    I'm not saying, that you are saying/musing, that your O.P. satellite pix meant "treasure" (so don't get "lost in the example"). Just saying that it's easy to fill-in-the-blanks (anything un-explainable) with things that we want (subconsciously) to muse. If it were a theological discussion, this is known as a "God of the gaps" debate argument. Ie.: anything we can't explain, gets attributed to God (ie.: a proof of theism). Then a century later, when perfectly logical explanations arise (for lightening, earthquakes, etc...) then the theists/believers look mighty silly. For having filled those "gaps" with "God". Again, don't get "lost in the example" (I realize this isn't a discussion of theism/atheism). But just pointing out the easy trick of the mind.
    I get where you are coming from Tom but I havent suggested the lines have anything to do with treasure or aliens ect. in fact I havent suggested that i have any clue as to what created them but they are there and seen very strange. I included the pictures of the worm like things because it is odd that they appear in the satellite images for several years then disappear right when the lines show up in the satellite images , coincidence ? Maybe I dont know.

    I really just started this thread because I thought it would be fun for people and also wanted to get other members ideas and if anyone has seen something that matches these patterns . I hope people are enjoying it , I am.
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    Hi Goldstar1, what does that area look like today on google maps or earth ? thanks. The photos i posted are not game trails or grazing i think its a die off of a certain plant or something but i cant be sure.
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    Wildlife/cattle trails seems sensible, perhaps exacerbated by erosion from heavy rainfall episodes?

    If not, I'm placing my money on GRABOIDS!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldstar1 View Post
    ...
    As for the troll comment, ...
    Ok, I'll retract the "knights templar" locker room talk jab, if you'll retract the "troll" jab, agreed ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldstar1 View Post
    I know this was mostly a reply to Mineshaft but I dont think they look like the pictures he posted and they definitely don't look anything like the ones I posted. I see cattle , sheep and game trails all the time like you posted. I have never seen anything where animals meander in strange wavy consistent lines like the ones I posted. I am sure there is an explanation logical or otherwise and thats what I am looking for . I am open to any ideas that make sense .
    As for the troll comment, I dont know why the hell you brought up the Knights Templar , that's just absurd, I never suggested they had anything to do with this LOL
    You will have to forgive tom lol. He has an uncontrollable urge to use logic and the scientific method to rip misguided dreams to shreds. While blunt and sometimes unable to understand social interaction skills, he always is good for bringing in a different viewpoint with sound reasoning. He jumped at the word paranormal for sure, as well others remarks, and ran with it. I like tom, but he does take some getting used to lol. Pretty much just accept that any mention of dowsing, conspiracies, asking for permission to detect on public land, and so on will bring out a compulsory response from tom with another viewpoint. No offense tom, just gotta get the newer members used to you is all

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldstar1 View Post
    I get where you are coming from Tom but I havent suggested the lines have anything to do with treasure or aliens ect....
    Yes. And I acknowledged that. But if you've read md'ing forums for awhile, you will see that there are scores of dreamy eyed treasure-hunters who .... humorously ... see "signs and symbols" in some of the most mundane things. Especially when it involves the big-ticket legends. Ie.: any squiggly line in the landscape is supposed to "point to a treasure". They are always looking for clues in cryptograms, smybolisms, carvings, hidden meanings, etc... All in the context of treasure.

    But yes, I agree that your post wasn't suggesting that. But this is an md'ing forum, after all. So all of us readers here are TH'ing / md'ing buffs. So ... just wanted to point out, that for starters, it doesn't mean anything for our hobby. And is no doubt going to turn out to be some tame innocuous logical explanation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tpmetal View Post
    You will have to forgive tom lol....
    haha, thanx for the shout-out. Yes, I admit, I got a lot of md'ing "bees in my bonnet" haha
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    So nobody had addressed my suggestion of it being related to land management activities, which seems to be the most likely cause.

    How wide are the “paths”?
    It probably matches the width of a farm implement.

    Pretty common to burn/disk/thrash/mow sagebrush to enhance forage.

    I’d bet money it’s related to habitat enhancement for the Sage Grouse, which has been a HUGE controversy the last 10 years. A pattern like that would provide many breaks between fresh forage and mature cover.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    So nobody had addressed my suggestion of it being related to land management activities, which seems to be the most likely cause.

    How wide are the “paths”?
    It probably matches the width of a farm implement.

    Pretty common to burn/disk/thrash/mow sagebrush to enhance forage.

    I’d bet money it’s related to habitat enhancement for the Sage Grouse, which has been a HUGE controversy the last 10 years. A pattern like that would provide many breaks between fresh forage and mature cover.
    I don't think it has to do with habitat enhancement, if it did you would see it in other places. Did you check the DFW to see if that program is on going or in the works ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mine Shaft View Post
    I don't think it has to do with habitat enhancement, if it did you would see it in other places. Did you check the DFW to see if that program is on going or in the works ?
    Looking closer, it’s clearly habitat enhancement.
    In the picture below you can tell the paths were made by a tractor pulling an implement. Even did a half figure eight to make a turn at the upper left...
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    Then there is the fact that it was only disturbed in the thickest parts of the sagebrush patches, evidenced by the enhanced picture below.
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    It’s land management activities. In the old days they would just burn it off. Now they have to take every species (except humans) into consideration.

    CASE CLOSED
    Last edited by IMAUDIGGER; Dec 04, 2018 at 03:13 PM.
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    Here are some areas where Sage Grouse habitat protection/enhancements are being considered.
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    Here are some locations of active Sage brush study areas.
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    Is your mystery spot located in any of those areas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    Looking closer, it’s clearly habitat enhancement.
    In the picture below you can tell the paths were made by a tractor pulling an implement. Even did a half figure eight to make a turn at the upper left...
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    Then there is the fact that it was only disturbed in the thickest parts of the sagebrush patches, evidenced by the enhanced picture below.
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    It’s land management activities. In the old days they would just burn it off. Now they have to take every species (except humans) into consideration.

    CASE CLOSED
    IMAUDIGGER: Your posts are always a good read, and a breath of fresh air. Great sleuthing work.
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