Metal detectors should be more advanced considering technology

[smokeythecat]

Bells and whistles can't hold a candle to operator experience and intuition.

 

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[RustyGold]

I want my detector to have auto-correct and make phone calls.

 

[ARC]

Topic of discussion some time ago was a realistic question, why haven’t any detector companies progressed with a machine that would be equivalent to today’s technology, lacking to be honest. Yes cost of making or selling a machine is relavent but seriously all these electronics , computers and this is the best to offer, simply not adding up. We are not further along as we should be. Your answer is.

Agreed 100 %.

Here are a couple of my Conspiracy theory's...

Limit Conspiracy - The guys that invent and make them purposely "limit" them to "step releasing" to maximize long term profit return and longevity.

And my favorite...

We don't want anyone to really find something major - The guys who develop and invent new models ALSO detect. (you can figure this one out)



:P

 

[chirper97]

The military with a nearly unlimited budget should be a good source of information on this topic. I came away from my searches with the thought that we likely have 'state of the art consumer level' electronics. Here is a link to the MIL-D1 detector shown at Special Forces exhibitions. https://www.ceia.net/groundsearch/product.aspx?a=MIL-D1

 

[MattPa]

I can usually tell what I'm digging. I have a nox and a v3i. The v eliminates most garbage, but the nox is a bit easier to use.

 

[JoeInMO]

The metal detecting industry is very odd. It reminds me very much of the auto industry in the 50's and 60's when people were either Ford, Chevy, or Dodge people. If they were a Chevy family they wouldn't even consider a Ford if it was the best car on the planet. The result was stagnation in development and the Japanese moved in and handed Ford, Chevy, and Dodge their lunch.

The metal detecting industry seems to be the same. The White's people think White's is the best... period. The Garrett people, the Fisher, the Minelab people, etc. seem all follow the same pattern. The result is that this industry is filled with what is quite frankly very old, obsolete, junk. The industry is just seeing the tip of the iceberg as far as new and better competition. Some can innovate, adapt and survive... some won't (Tesoro seems to be the latest casualty).

I'm not here to fight with anyone, but if anyone thinks that advances in technology won't make major changes in the metal detecting industry they are only fooling themselves. Someone mentioned x-rays as an example... compare an old film x-ray machine of just a few years ago with a modern digital x-ray machine and it's hard to call them both x-ray machines. Just as in x-ray machines advancement in signal processors allows manufacturers to make much, much better products every 18 months or so. Metal detectors are exactly the same, but the industry hasn't caught up to the rest of technology yet.

I think, and hope, that some of the more progressive companies will continue to offer better and better products in the near future. The days of a blind beep and dig will fade into history. There will always some that think they have magical powers and can find things their detectors don't even let them know exists, and you'll never change those people... just as there are still some people out there who say "I'll never drive anything but a Chevy".

Main processors are much faster. Signal processors are much more accurate. They will continue to do that. Some people will embrace newer technology to enhance their metal detecting enjoyment, and some will keep their heads stuck in the mud and dig every beep. As long as they're having fun I really don't care, but when they try and perpetuate myths in a veiled attempt to support their unsupported beliefs then that's wrong.

-Joe

 

[chirper97]

Analysis of metals is obviously much more demanding than what many of us understand. It would be ideal if metals we are scanning with our MDs would be in isolated elemental form instead of alloys of many metals with a highly variable ground substrate. Even when a metallic sample is isolated, it takes an advanced dedicated machine for identification. see https://www.sigmametalytics.com/purchase/pmv-pro-withextbridge-description.html Note that sensors have to contact the material with several other requirements. More advanced metal analysis is via optical emission spectrography (OES), inductively coupled plasma (ICP) wet chemical testing and Leco gas analyzers. See http://www.msitesting.com/metal-chemical-analysis.html



I believe we are blessed with advanced technology provided at a reasonable price point by our U.S. MD manufacturers, and that we need to improve our research and equipment skills to fully utilize that technology.

 

[ARC]

Analysis of metals is obviously much more demanding than what many of us understand. It would be ideal if metals we are scanning with our MDs would be in isolated elemental form instead of alloys of many metals with a highly variable ground substrate. Even when a metallic sample is isolated, it takes an advanced dedicated machine for identification. see https://www.sigmametalytics.com/purchase/pmv-pro-withextbridge-description.html Note that sensors have to contact the material with several other requirements. More advanced metal analysis is via optical emission spectrography (OES), inductively coupled plasma (ICP) wet chemical testing and Leco gas analyzers. See http://www.msitesting.com/metal-chemical-analysis.html

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I believe we are blessed with advanced technology provided at a reasonable price point by our U.S. MD manufacturers, and that we need to improve our research and equipment skills to fully utilize that technology.

SEE ! !! ... did you see that guy in that picture... HE detects !... you can just tell he is a detectorist ... and busy limiting by controlling something

:P

 

[nwpa]

It seems like machines have peaked in technology advancements and are just repackaged or given some extra bells and whistles.
Fist Texas I would of thought would have introduced a waterproof F75/T2 when the Garrett and Whites came out with a waterproof machines but they just remained stagnet.
I think Nokta/Makro will have a hit with the Simplex with it's features in that price range, just waiting for it's release to find out.

 

[Gold!]

I’m thinking of getting a gold monster 1000, best club to join or
group ? Good with solo but would like to join a group to get a feel of the do’s and do not’s.

 

[A#1]

I've been on and off the detector since I bought my Eagle Stectrum in 1995?.....so roughly 22 years. I didn't keep up with what stuff was current, just don't really care.

Time went by, and I've slid back into more detecting. This past summer I wanted a new detector. Mostly figuring I could find a waterproof unit with a longer lasting battery.

I figured I would be amazed by the advances made in the last 20 years.....

I bought an Equinox 600, the best bang for my buck really, and I'm perfectly happy with it.

I was surprised and kind and let down. I didn't really have anything for expectations, but I expected more. I've thought of functionality improvements, and wondered why they weren't on this(or the 800). Like simple Android/Iphone GPS integration, or datalogging.

Not much has changed, except what I knew would. Smaller, lighter, better batteries, Bluetooth audio, slightly more tuning, slightly more depth, somewhat better discrimination and performance. Though all those were inevitable, and really not all that impressive.

But then again, like a few said, this tool can only advance SO far. I mean a hammer hasn't evolved much in a VERY long time, simply because it doesn't need to.

ETA: In all honesty, the best advancement I can think of in 20 years is a seperate pinpointer.

 

[ARC]

I've been on and off the detector since I bought my Eagle Stectrum in 1995?.....so roughly 22 years. I didn't keep up with what stuff was current, just don't really care.

Time went by, and I've slid back into more detecting. This past summer I wanted a new detector. Mostly figuring I could find a waterproof unit with a longer lasting battery.

I figured I would be amazed by the advances made in the last 20 years.....

I bought an Equinox 600, the best bang for my buck really, and I'm perfectly happy with it.

I was surprised and kind and let down. I didn't really have anything for expectations, but I expected more. I've thought of functionality improvements, and wondered why they weren't on this(or the 800). Like simple Android/Iphone GPS integration, or datalogging.

Not much has changed, except what I knew would. Smaller, lighter, better batteries, Bluetooth audio, slightly more tuning, slightly more depth, somewhat better discrimination and performance. Though all those were inevitable, and really not all that impressive.

But then again, like a few said, this tool can only advance SO far. I mean a hammer hasn't evolved much in a VERY long time, simply because it doesn't need to.

ETA: In all honesty, the best advancement I can think of in 20 years is a seperate pinpointer.

Well yes and no... (agree and sorta disagree)

A hammer has evolved very little for its "use concept" hasn't changed....
and lets face it.. the concept of driving a nail into something by hand by pounding will only allow for so much change...

BUT... lets not forget about "power" hammers.

Now... a metal detector is a FAR cry from a hammer... (hey I just realized you should have used a shovel / scoop for the analogy ...
It deals in "tech" and technology as a concept design... is boundless... limitless ...IMO.

Sheesh and as far as "todays tech" (as opposed to tech 50 years ago / let alone the age of the hammer concept ) we now in technology are sending a telephone call GLOBAL in milliseconds to seconds at the MOST.

And THROUGH and AROUND EVERYTHING.... TO another phone... THAT PHONE... andddddd attached VIA a "signal".

It just seems ... well its hard to believe ... we have tech that will do all that...but not a signal past 2 feet in the soil under our own feet.

Something is up. heh...

SLACKER detector Co's ?

IF that's the case... man o man... there is a Pot-o-gold for real at the end of that rainbow (its St pats day ok)... for the person or persons that hone in on that signal.

 

[devldog]

All quiet on the home front no more guns a firing from the range, boy they really get it going at times, I swear there are times I think the north and the south are reinacting the war but heck you never no real from acting. Have a good day gotta go to job but I will be back unless the cannon balls destroyed my house when I come back, lol

Do you mean to tell me the war has ended? Yer kiddn', rat? Lol

 

[Moonmountain]

y cant they just make a big one of these that goes like 5 foot deep



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[HighVDI]

I like a little challenge. Nice to have any edge possible crossing a fine line might take the fun out of the hobby IMO.

 

[ARC]

I like a little challenge. Nice to have any edge possible crossing a fine line might take the fun out of the hobby IMO.

Fine... I will sell you my old detectors as soon as the new ones with no challenge come out.

:P

 

[victhedog]

let us know when to dig or not to dig. Differentiate between a pull tab and a coin for a start.

My whites V3i. Does that

 

[Nicksan]

I agree they should be much more advanced, The technology is available but theres too many variables that prevent it.

 

[jk1031]

I got the Simplex, and it has so far exceeded my expectations.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

It is a limited market, to get all that people are asking for is possible, but very few people could afford what it would cost to make.

Nokta Invenio as example can tell you which target is ferrous, which is gold and the fact there is a cavity between them. How many detectors could afford $7500+ or even $5,000?