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    Quote Originally Posted by digger27 View Post
    When I lived in Florida one Christmas morning it got unusually cold, down to the lower 20's, and because so many were home that day using electric heat and so many turning on electric ovens to cook their turkeys the power company started rolling blackouts because they were afraid their system would crash.
    If you lived on the same grid as a hospital you were lucky because they left those areas on.
    It was only a few hours but it was still inconvenient...nowhere near the hassle if you lose powers for days.

    I feel sorry for those that have meds like very expensive insulin that must be refrigerated or oxygen generators and scooters that need to be charged.
    Thanks digger!

    These are a bit different than the "rolling blackouts" we experience during high load/low capacity outages.

    This is more akin to storm conditions (even though the wind hasn't hit as expected) where every foot of overhead line has to patrolled and cleared before it can be re-energized. Some of it can be done electronically, but much of has to be done the old fashion way...men in trucks or foot patrol!
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    PG&E says their equipment prob caused the last fire/s
    filed bankruptcy, but still operating and supplying power
    you would think bankruptcy would put you out of biz
    our power co. here check the wires and poles with helicopters
    and bucket trucks, about every 2 yr or so @ least in my 60k
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    https://www.sacbee.com/news/californ...226921019.html

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    I worked for PG&E as a contract engineer - equipment systems design and field engineering. Phone calls to my wife & son back in Michigan crying for me to go back "home". Of course suddenly popped up a hot job back there, and I resigned my position - though I absolutely wanted to stay - loved it there but they wouldn't come.

    Out of all the contracts I worked (57), PG&E (Diablo Canyon) treated me the best.
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    The solution to wildfire started by wind and power lines is to force everybody cook their food with propane, kerosene, wood or charcoal using an open flame.

    Well that'll never work!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DeepseekerADS View Post
    I worked for PG&E as a contract engineer - equipment systems design and field engineering. Phone calls to my wife & son back in Michigan crying for me to go back "home". Of course suddenly popped up a hot job back there, and I resigned my position - though I absolutely wanted to stay - loved it there but they wouldn't come.

    Out of all the contracts I worked (57), PG&E (Diablo Canyon) treated me the best.
    Very cool, something else we have in common!
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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909 View Post
    PG&E says their equipment prob caused the last fire/s
    filed bankruptcy, but still operating and supplying power
    you would think bankruptcy would put you out of biz
    our power co. here check the wires and poles with helicopters
    and bucket trucks, about every 2 yr or so @ least in my 60k
    pop town

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/californ...226921019.html
    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909 View Post
    PG&E does/did all the stuff you mention above.

    Upper Mngmt deferred some system upgrades and maintenance over the years.

    Being found at least partially responsible for the devastating fires over the last two years, the costs were such that bankruptcy was the only choice. We/they are still going through the process.

    As a retiree with a pension, I watch this closely as you can imagine! Supposedly, the Pension Plan for existing retirees is protected.
    SeabeeRon Santa Cruz,CA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SeabeeRon View Post
    Very cool, something else we have in common!
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    took a little digging, found how and why ca. electric co.
    have a Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS)
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    The State's investor-owned electric utilities, notably Pacific Gas and Electric Company (PG&E), Southern California Edison, and San Diego Gas & Electric (SDG&E), may shut off electric power, referred to as "de-energization" or Public Safety Power Shut-offs (PSPS), to protect public safety under California law, specifically California Public Utilities Code (PU Code) Sections 451 and 399.2(a).
    https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/deenergization/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckshot View Post
    The solution to wildfire started by wind and power lines is to force everybody cook their food with propane, kerosene, wood or charcoal using an open flame.

    Well that'll never work!
    It's California. They only eat raw fruits and vegetables, anyway.
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    5. Michigan

    Michigan’s most interesting fact about its power outages may be that it has the highest outages per capita than other states. Weather-related outages caused 56 of the 155 outages in 2017. Faulty equipment took second place with 36 caused outages. Average outages lasted just over an hour and affected just over 2 million people over the course of the year.

    Odd Outage Fact: A dashboard video revealed the cause of an outage that affected 4,500 customers for five hours to be a goose. The camera caught the animal falling lifelessly from the sky. The bird apparently hit a 7,200-volt line, which tripped a nearby transformer.

    4. Ohio

    Another Midwestern state joins Michigan in the nation’s top five. While Ohio suffered more outages than Michigan in 2017 (158) the outages affected only 663,000 customers. Similar to other states near the Great Lakes, Ohioans experience the most outages due to weather.

    Odd Outage Fact: A cement mixer caused a blackout in Edgerton when the driver tried to pass a tractor but veered too far to the side. The truck was pulled into the ditch, and turned the mixer sideways, sending it into a power pole, which it severed.

    3. New York

    Yet again, weather remains the number one factor for power outages in this east coast state. New York had 165 outages affecting almost 900,000 people in 2017. Nor’easters are to blame for the most weather-related outages and had many suburban citizens calling for tree removal to help prevent the damage. Thankfully, the average duration of an outage is only about an hour.

    Odd Outage Fact: A train derailment triggered a power outage in Manhattan. Nearly three dozen people were injured when two cars of a subway flew off the rails.The accident triggerd a blackout that stopped service on four subway lines.

    2. Texas

    Everything’s bigger in Texas. Including the number of power outages. Texas takes the number two spot for power outages in 2017 with 192 outages affecting 1.1 million people. Heatwaves and flooding caused the majority of the outages in Texas in 2017.

    Odd Outage Fact: A buzzard got into some equipment in a Crandall substation. It resulted in an outage to 1,527 customers.

    1. California

    In 2017, California ranked number one in four of the categories that Eaton Blackout Tracker monitors. These categories are vehicle accidents, animal outages, faulty equipment and weather. The state saw 438 outages over the year that affected almost 3 million people. A quarter of power losses reported had no definite reason.

    Odd Outage Fact: A bobcat climbed to the top of a power pole in Cambria, shorting out the circuit at the end of his climb and cutting power to 3,530 customers. The animal did not survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cw0909 View Post
    PG&E says their equipment prob caused the last fire/s
    filed bankruptcy, but still operating and supplying power
    you would think bankruptcy would put you out of biz
    our power co. here check the wires and poles with helicopters
    and bucket trucks, about every 2 yr or so @ least in my 60k
    pop town

    https://www.sacbee.com/news/californ...226921019.html
    Does your power company have 125,000 miles of powerlines? Let me run that number by you again....125,000 miles.
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    I bet the emergency generator company's are having a field day with this.
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    Post #3: What a shame...PG&E was one of the richest power companies around...

    The reason they're rich, they don't put money into maintenance, they put in in their pocket.

    Post #4: JW you are exactly precisely correct, peeps want to be served and then sue.

    They are paying for a service. If you went to a brake shop and paid for new brakes and they didn't do anything and charged you for a brake job and you get out on the road and your brakes don't work, you hit a tree and wind up paralyzed, you wouldn't sue them?

    Post #14: There is ONE group of people who's shoulders bear full responsibility for the catastrophic wildfires last year.
    The extreme There is ONE group of people who's shoulders bear full responsibility for the catastrophic wildfires last year.
    The extreme environmental groups have made it impossible to perform forest management profitably, to clear vegetation below and around power lines...to responsibly use herbacides(herbicides) to maintain fire breaks, ect.

    Environmental groups have nothing to do with PG&E lack of maintenance.
    Oh yeah, herbicides is the way to go.
    Go buy a gallon of Round Up( Glyphosate), pour it in a bucket and stick you hand in it for a while and don't wash it off, What do you think will happen?
    Herbicides kill everything, Frogs, butterflies, bees, everything that's sprayed dies a painful death.

    "New Study Shows Roundup Kills Bees. The most widely sprayed herbicide in the world kills honeybees, according to a new report. Glyphosate, an herbicide and active ingredient in Monsanto's (now Bayer's) Roundup weed killer, targets enzymes long assumed to be found only in plants.

    https://www.sierraclub.org/sierra/ne...dup-kills-bees

    Post #11: Granted, some of the wild fires over the last few years were caused by faulty equipment on PG&E's side. Most were due to poor forest management around the overhead lines. There is much blame to go around for that including Federal/State governments, private property owners as well as PG&E itself!

    When I started with PG&E in 1968 the company upper management was made up of those who "came up through the ranks", lineman and engineers. By the time I retired 40 years later it was run by Bean Counters and Lawyers and much needed maintenance was "deferred" or just cancelled!!

    SBR, I respect your input, as you are speaking with first hand knowledge.
    But, all power companies have a right of way for their lines, that right of way includes a swath of land on either side of the lines that is a safety margin.
    If the ROW is properly maintained, Then a fire should not affect the lines.

    Here's how it's done:


    You are right about the BC's, all they're looking at is how much money they can make.
    More profit, more bonus for them.
    That's the problem.

    Post 27:
    Does your power company have 125,000 miles of powerlines? Let me run that number by you again....125,000 miles.
    Who pays for that 125,000 miles?

    The customers, that's why they have to pay an electric bill.

    This isn't a problem that happened yesterday.
    Lack of maintenance has been going on for years.
    But now, it's coming back to bite them in the butt.

    Classic case of corporate greed.
    Now, they are going bankrupt to either avoid or mitigate their losses and keep their money.
    They should have to pay out all their money in the bank and sell their non essential assets and when they run out of that, they can pay with future profits.
    All the people whose lives were ruined by PG&E deserve to be fairly compensated.

    Post #7: It's not just California. How is the infrastructure in your neck of the woods?. You have cities where its not safe to drink the water, bridges on the verge of collapsing and roadways that will shake the screws out of your car. I was in China this year. I rode a train that ran 250 miles an hour. It's not just California, It's the whole country.

    And That's my thoughts on this.
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