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    Hi All! Thank you for your responses.

    Lucky for that our hobby can be done solo. I just feel sad for those who do not have much choice but to stay at home.

    Quote Originally Posted by fistfulladirt View Post
    After 10 months I now know a few that have been sick. My younger brother, two sister in-laws, two nephews and my elderly mother in-law recovering from cancer and has Lupus. All tested positive for corona, all have recovered in a few days, symptoms were sniffles, scratchy throat, bit of a headache. If I didnít know any better I would say it sounds like a seasonal illness.
    I'm sorry to hear that, but it's great to hear that they all recovered. Maybe it's not that big of a deal like ebola where you will deteriorate or what. From the sound of it, it really is just like seasonal flu. I read this one article about taking care of post-covid patients. Thought it might help. Search Results for ?Stories of Recovery From COVID-19 Patients?

    Though I'm not sure if you still need it. You might be referring to it a long while back.

    Take care you guys!

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    I haven't stopped detecting since this Covid started. The only way I allow it to affect me, is if I want to go somewhere that is closed because of it. Otherwise, its life as usual.
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    My opinion is that 250,000 may have died from it, but 249,000 were either elderly or had a pre-existing condition that made it worse (obese, high BP, diabetes, etc.). They used to mention that fact early on, but now they just have fun posting the numbers every day. I stopped watching CNN because of that. We really don't need to see the numbers posted on the side of the screen every day. Give it a rest...

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    250K people sounds bad, but what of the 600+K that die from heart disease? 600+K from cancer?
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    Let me see if I understand some of the ideas here. You are happily enjoying your life in spite of the fact that your are over 70, or have high blood pressure, or are overweight - then somebody shoots you. The killer’s lawyer argues that his client isn’t REALLY guilty - you were “sick” anyway?

    Isn’t that pretty much the point of all this about pre-existing conditions?

    And as far as the X hundred thousand die every year from disease Y - so what’s the big deal? You may as well argue that everyone ever born will die so why bother with medical care or prevention and treatment of disease!
    Last edited by Rick K; Nov 20, 2020 at 02:10 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    250K people sounds bad, but what of the 600+K that die from heart disease? 600+K from cancer?
    Well, you might be confusing some folks by asking them to use rational thought.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FreeBirdTim View Post
    My opinion is that 250,000 may have died from it, but 249,000 were either elderly or had a pre-existing condition that made it worse (obese, high BP, diabetes, etc.). They used to mention that fact early on, but now they just have fun posting the numbers every day. I stopped watching CNN because of that. We really don't need to see the numbers posted on the side of the screen every day. Give it a rest...
    This is an illogical argument, though it tries to appeal to logic. 60 percent of the population is clinically obese, and another 30 percent of the population has other underlying conditions such as asthma, diabetes, dvt, heart diesease etc.

    Saying it only effects "those who are obese or those with pre existing conditions" means about 90 percent of the population over 30, which is just about every single one of us on this forum.
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    OT, but you got me with that insectile GIF - big time. Nearly put a dent in my screen...

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    CDC Data Shows High Virus Survival Rate: 99%-Plus for Ages 69 and Younger, 94.6% for Older

    The U.S. Centers for Disease and Control and Prevention (CDC) recently updated its estimated Infection Fatality Rate (IFR) parameters to include age-specific data showing the vast majority of people who contract the Chinese coronavirus survives.
    CDC’s new IFR estimates broken down by age are part of the agency’s September 10 update to its “COVID-19 Pandemic Planning Scenarios.”
    Based on the “Scenario 5: Current Best Estimate” for the IFR, Breitbart News confirmed the updated age-specific survival rates: 0-19 years old, 99.997 percent; 20-49 years old, 99.98 percent; 50-69 years, 99.5 percent; and 70 years old or older, 94.6 percent.

    https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...4-6-for-older/





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    Quote Originally Posted by golddigger14s View Post
    250K people sounds bad, but what of the 600+K that die from heart disease? 600+K from cancer?
    Another illogical "appeal to logic" argument. To compare is a false equivalency. 600K dying from heart disease is an unacceptable number too, it doesn't make 250K death from some other cause any less tragic nor should it make it any more acceptable. These false equivalency type arguments only make you feel better.

    It also ignores context:

    For example, if i told you that a foreign dictator was going to wage war on the United States and 400K of our citizens would die, we'd be outraged beyond belief and consider that completely unacceptable! We'd never say, oh, no big deal, no big loss, because 600k die from heart disease! BTW, thats not a fictitious number, thats US approximate deaths from WWII (400k).
    Last edited by GoDeep; Nov 20, 2020 at 03:03 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rick K View Post
    Let me see if I understand some of the ideas here. You are happily enjoying your life in spite of the fact that your are over 70, or have high blood pressure, or are overweight - then somebody shoots you. The killer’s lawyer argues that his client isn’t REALLY guilty - you were “sick” anyway?

    Isn’t that pretty much the point of all this about pre-existing conditions?

    And as far as the X hundred thousand die every year from disease Y - so what’s the big deal? You may as well argue that everyone ever born will die so why bother with medical care or prevention and treatment of disease!
    How about you test positive for COVID-19 with no symptoms, subsequently someone shoots you in the head, and your death is tallied as COVID-caused. I have seen nothing to suggest that has literally happened, but plenty to suggest that deaths are being attributed to COVID-19, solely on the grounds of a positive test result, that would almost certainly have happened in the same time frame if there was no COVID-19, and in any other year would have been attributed to heart disease, pancreatic cancer, etc. I also see suggestions that people who are asymptomatic, or have recovered from COVID-19, are being tallied as new "cases" when they produce a positive reaction to an antibody test. And then those "cases" are frequently cited by the hyperventilating, click-hungry media as "patients" or "sufferers". The fact that a test shows the probability that you were once exposed to the organism that causes a particular disease does not make you a "patient", a "sufferer", or even a "case".

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    Quote Originally Posted by udon1nano View Post
    How about you test positive for COVID-19 with no symptoms, subsequently someone shoots you in the head, and your death is tallied as COVID-caused. I have seen nothing to suggest that has literally happened, but plenty to suggest that deaths are being attributed to COVID-19, solely on the grounds of a positive test result, that would almost certainly have happened in the same time frame if there was no COVID-19, and in any other year would have been attributed to heart disease, pancreatic cancer, etc. I
    I've heard this too, that if they have a dead patient and they test positive, they can attribute it to Covid, though i don't think it's some "deep state" plot. I'd venture that the majority of physicians are weighing the evidence of how they died, along with the positive test, to make an informed decision.

    Also, i've read that in poor areas, where people have died at home, with no medical treatment sought, are being underreported. So it may even be a wash.

    Lets face it, the medical community isn't perfect. They don't get everything right. But the majority are working hard to preserve lives and serve with integrity. But what we see nowadays, with the advent of the internet is, to find a flaw in something, no matter how small, and then use that as a basis to dismiss it all in its entirety.
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    people who don't take good care of themselves should not be shocked when they die young.
    MANY health issues can be avoided with proper diet ,rest and exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GoDeep View Post
    Another illogical "appeal to logic" argument. To compare is a false equivalency. 600K dying from heart disease is an unacceptable number too, it doesn't make 250K death from some other cause any less tragic nor should it make it any more acceptable. These false equivalency type arguments only make you feel better.

    It also ignores context:

    For example, if i told you that a foreign dictator was going to wage war on the United States and 400K of our citizens would die, we'd be outraged beyond belief and consider that completely unacceptable! We'd never say, oh, no big deal, no big loss, because 600k die from heart disease! BTW, thats not a fictitious number, thats US approximate deaths from WWII (400k).
    Trend say we are prosperous during war. I’m against war of any kind. Fight is against an invisible enemy in which we shut down an economy as defense.
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    I thought for sure it would go away on Nov- 4th.
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