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    They have an arabic look to them, can you at least say what part of the world they were found?
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    Length, bore diameters, any numbers on the end of the trunnions and marine history of the area where found might help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pepperj View Post
    Just watched the video, and I can say WOW! What lays below is what any hunter would be dreaming of day and night. Congrats to ever recovered them.
    Me and a mate recovered them. 👍
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithbrown View Post
    Very early 16th century.
    Whys that!? Had some people look and they are thinking 14th century. Nobody's been able to match the markings to anything tho.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mackaydon View Post
    Length, bore diameters, any numbers on the end of the trunnions and marine history of the area where found might help.
    Don...
    Cant see anything on trunnions. They really need a good clean. I'm reluctant to mess about with them to much until they've been seen by relevant authorities. I'm in UK, dunno how it works where you are but we have to be a bit careful with it all. Just wanna know about the markings.
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    Nice cannon! Sure would like to know approximate dimensions and weight. Have a target we're looking for from that age range. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wobbo123 View Post
    Whys that!? Had some people look and they are thinking 14th century. Nobody's been able to match the markings to anything tho.
    I would agree with this assessment.

    (I deleted earlier post where I stated I thought these were much older than TRG's theory due to several reasons)
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    I did explain further down that the decoration is similar to that found on late 15th/ early 16th century cannon. Were you given any reason why anyone would think the guns are as early as the 14th century? were you shown pictures of other 14th century cannon to compare them too? As far as I know, I can't think of any bronze piece that dates from that early. And not that many pieces surviving from the 15th century, either. I will stick to my assessment- early 16th century, possible creeping earlier into the very end of the 15th century.
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    The site has been searched, it's chalk and is covered and then uncovered by storms. No wreck to be seen so they were probably dumped there
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithbrown View Post
    The detail of the decoration - the trefoil with loops - is found on cannon dating from the late 15th up to the first decades in the 16th century. it is not restricted to a country- you find it on French, Spanish, Flemish, Portuguese guns.
    Ah nice one, thats what i was here to try and find out. Two well known cannon experts.(well known to thoses that know about these things, I'd never heard of them!) have had a look at them and both agreed 15th Century but due to Covid nobody is allowed out to actually visit the guns and have a proper look. A 3d laser scan is waiting to happen...but who knows when!
    They are thought to be land guns which would have been mounted on carrigages and put onto a ship.
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    Well done Sherlock haha Wreck Diving from Newhaven, East Sussex bit more about my wreck diving in there.
    I'll post up the dimesions....
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    I think its agreed they are European,,French, Spanish, Germanic I dive South Coast UK...found them in Seaford Bay, East Sussex if you wanna Google Map it. Lot of ships have wrecked in the bay but these look as if they were thrown overboard as no evidence of a wreck
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    Now I am confused- 14th or 15th century? If 15th century, you might want to go back and change the typing slip, or we will be confused!

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    I am thinking the turn... to early 16th century... 1490-1525.

    Now that is real "shot from the hip"... but I am gonna "stay". heh

    PS... they are "crude" or very badly corroded... if crude... they were possibly pitched for numourous possible reasons. (one being "upgrades at sea")

    OR... they have been down for a REALLY long time... the amount of corrosion IF this is the case is beyond any I have seen on a cannon.
    Last edited by AARC; Jan 09, 2021 at 07:59 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Smithbrown View Post
    Now I am confused- 14th or 15th century? If 15th century, you might want to go back and change the typing slip, or we will be confused!
    Haha...ok forget i said 14th century. Below is from an email from someone who knows about these things but is only trying to identify them from pics and video. It seems most are in agreement 15th-16th. Good to know the design/pattern is a common design and not attributed to any particular maker as i thought. He mentions the porcupine in his email below but after cleaning a little more I dont think it is. Thanks for your thoughts.

    Gianni Ridella says:
    "Coming to the two pieces you are dealing with, their encrusted and partially abraded conditions don't allow me to express a defined identification and dating that will be make easier after they will be cleaned and drawn. So I limit to formulate my first impressions. I agree with my friend Nico Brinck on the fact they appear late 15th-early 16th century products but I am not so sure they are French. Unfortunately there are none French surviving exemplars of this class (falconets or robinets?) and period with rounded surfaces but only polygonal shaped without division between reinforce and chase. Even assuming that the figure on one of them (gun 2?) is a porcupine I observe that the French pieces of this times (Luis XII's reign 1499-1515) shows well outdistanced trunnions from the mid-mouldings (see the attached figure), like in the survived heavier ones (battery cannons) while in our ones they are in contact with them. I could be wrong but I would rather think of a Central European origin (Germanic area)."
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