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    What determines the depth when making a detector

    Simple question the copper coil and electronics are the machine yes. How do they figure how to cap the depth when manufacturering the machine. They do this on purpose I?m certain. So who decides well we must not make this machine go any further. Correct me how?s this determined end result.

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    I only have my intuition on this,but if a cap on depth was intentionally built into a detector,some of the really smart guys on here would have discovered it and figured out a way to bypass it.Just my gut feeling.Your mileage may not be the same as mine.
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    Why would a manufacturer kneecap their own product by limiting the depth of detection?
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    Manufacturers do not intentionally cap the depth, the depth for each detector is based on tuning, minerization and the user understanding the detector and it's capabilities.
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    My opinion like automobiles, you max it out with all the bells and whistles, then how do you continue to improve on it. I mean think about it. Call it what you want but they as you stated dial it down or electronic engineering terms. I stick with my opinions knowing or not or purposely or not something is determined, or heck why not someone on here that’s electronically inclined to create it blow the rest away, yes , no or maybe. Go go max out on any given product you put yourself out of business fast
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    Manufactures do not cap depth, think about it, why would 2 major manufacturers go bankrupt instead of increasing depth if it was being intentional capped.
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    So treasure hunter asking in reality how much can we expect a detector to improve, nothing else but depth and separation honestly. Unless it digs for you, so I do believe they have full control of the machine, look they have these little updates so that’s proof, minelab will have to come up with an update, why because this new lightning machine coming out next week will most certainly compete with minelab 800. So there’s the proof we need. They have there own way to manipulate or make gradual improves to stay in business long term. How often do machines come out not low end machines

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    Unproductive line of argument,if they do,you still have to buy a machine if you want one,so unless anyone has solid proof of this or has discovered a way around if it is capped,so what?
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    Did you ever here the term over doing yourself, sure you have to buy a machine. Explain this why spend 200 dollars on a coil to pick up an inch. Look I’m not trying to convince you of anything but the obvious. The equinox 800 is going to be forced to update there machine with something I’m telling you all machines are made out of usa. Point is notka makro will have a machine out real soon as equal or better and cost maybe 200 dollars less. I don’t need to convince loyal brand users anything,the proof you will see shortly. Incremental improvements are part of staying in business, no Rhodes scholar degree required, thankyou for your opinion , but facts override opinions, I’m not loyal to any company, as you see my only machines are whiteddfx, and simplex, I’m sure Garrett and others are sufficiently enough but myself and friend put machines to task especially my friend he should get sponsored from minelab

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    It seems as though the laws of physics would be the major factor in depth and separation limits. Then there are governmental regulations - though they most certainly aren't the major limiting factor.

    The only logical manufacturer-imposed limits would be in relation to their desire to offer machines that are smoother running - typically the more entry level machines. In recent years it seems as though all of the major manufacturers have made it a point to offer machines that can run on the razor's edge - maximum depth/separation (for the current technology) but just a hair away from being unstable and unusable by most. Look at the forums and you'll find various complaints about machines that are too sparky/unstable.

    As for the new Nokta smf machine...

    Nokta hasn't released the name. I'm not sure where the name "lightning" stems from, but it sure wasn't from an official proclamation put forth by Nokta-Makro. Maybe the name will be "lightning" but for the time being that is just conjecture.

    I'm a fan of Nokta-Makro machines, and I have high hopes that their new smf machine will be very competitive (with other top end machines) but let's not count the chickens before they hatch. The Equinox is a formidable competitor; it got where it is (sales-wise) because it performs. Until a manufacturer produces a machine that is superior to the Equinox (and that could well be another Minelab machine) everything is just marketing noise.
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    The FCC limits the "power" the coil can transmit at. Metal detectors fall under "unlicensed transmitters". It's like 5 watts max. Maybe 1/2 amp at our voltages. And depth is dependent on field strength

    Can't have our detectors bringing down aircraft or disrupting telecommunications.
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    Ok then Charlie you just admitted or proved my point fcc limits the power, knew there was a reason you just told everyone now they no thanks, so if fcc limits the power the coil can transmit. Then we are currently maxed out in performance. So why spend more on coils then if limitations are controlled by fcc .look obviously your smarter than I. But you just proved the fact to all metal detectorist don’t expect much as in depth performance folks, fcc limits the power.thanks Charlie we are stuck with the fcc decisions with the factors you just stated. Now we no

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie P. (NY) View Post
    The FCC limits the "power" the coil can transmit at. Metal detectors fall under "unlicensed transmitters". It's like 5 watts max. Maybe 1/2 amp at our voltages. And depth is dependent on field strength

    Can't have our detectors bringing down aircraft or disrupting telecommunications.
    Charlie is correct, it is 5 watts on the coil. Depth depends more on the user, how he sets up his detector, tunes it, understands it. I have dug over 20 inches deep with 15 inch coils at the local beaches using reverse discrimination on my customized excals, the issue is just how deep do you want to dig nickels.

    I will take my Minelabs over Nokta any day, I have a couple Noktas I don't even use.
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    Sure the minelab equinox had the game changer of a machine until now because nobody really challenged them , competition eventually comes along better for us all. In ending I’m loyal to no company I way all my options thankyou for your information

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    Quote Originally Posted by 49er12 View Post
    Sure the minelab equinox had the game changer of a machine until now because nobody really challenged them , competition eventually comes along better for us all. In ending I’m loyal to no company I way all my options thankyou for your information
    I worked on Minelabs and I worked on Noktas in the repair center, I prefer Minelabs, if you prefer Noktas more power to you, it is personal preference.
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