Native American stone tools. Better pictures and more finds. Part 2

[DownNDirty]

And no I don't think they are all artifacts, just two or three that possibly could be. Either way it's hard to make a definitive id from a couple of pictures.

 

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[matthew8606]

Thanks everyone.

 

[matthew8606]

I appreciate the feedback. Thank you.

 

[RGINN]

Well it would be kinda hard to kill and butcher an animal with a nutting stone and there are no projectile points or blades pictured so your comment makes no sense. But that doesn't mean that some of the pictured items weren't used as tools. Kind of a lame argument don't you think?

Gee, I'm not arguing and no I don't think. They were posted as stone tools, not just a nutting stone and some rocks as you say. I'm suggesting to Matt a way to determine if certain rocks may indeed have been used as tools. To be blunt, they're all just common rocks. I don't see any evidence of use or working on any of them. That 'nutting stone' will never work. Don't believe me, place a black walnut on it, hit it with a hammer stone and that nutting stone will bounce all around or probably just shatter. My ancestors made and used stone tools and they applied some craftsmanship to them. But I have seen my grandpa knock off a crude quartz flake and use it to cut some willow stems. I've done the same thing. A very good test to apply to suspected artifacts is 'could I use this' and 'how could I use this' and my favorite, 'does this work'. In the use of tools, we really aren't that much different than our ancestors.

 

[Dirtwisher]

I'm puzzled by this whole effort. You keep doing the same thing and expecting a different result. It is just not rational to discount the quite consistent opinions of those who have replied. In any realm, those who amass experience and knowledge in an area are those who create a baseline from which the next advances are made, and the process repeats itself until the distance between the layman and the expert is too big to deny. To discount this process, which it seems you are doing, is what is drawing the responses you are getting. If an authority on stone tools says they are stone tools, that would be awesome. I hope that happens, because frankly I would love for these to be real.

 

[david680]

In any place you can find rocks, you can find rocks that you can see as "tools". Not impossible that a few of your rocks were used once or twice as a crude tool, but in the end there is nothing to suggest that they actually were. I can find 100's like these any day. If you're having fun with them, good for you. A "artifact" will generally have some sign of human alteration, maybe not always, but almost always. If they haven't been altered into a tool they are generally just rocks. The fact that they have a shape or feature, that could conceivably be used as a tool, just doesn't give much reason to see it as a tool. I find it interesting that you haven't posted even one picture of a clearly worked lithic instrument, which if you were in a area that contained this many artifacts, it would seem likely that you would have found at least one obvious worked tool. Just my two cents.

 

[gunsil]

I think you are correct Matt, you have found the wrong site to post on. Saying that what members here have to say "means Jack" clearly indicates that you may well need to take your stuff elsewhere. There are people on here often with the same type of common not man worked stones or rocks who see things in them but they are generally not so snide in replying when they are told their finds are not artifacts. I agree with the others that your finds are natural rocks and not artifacts and I don't really care if that "means Jack" to you since as the jailer in "Cool Hand Luke" said, "some men just can't be reached". Please understand that we are not belittling your knowledge or finds, we are just trying to educate you a little bit and if you find that painful or decide that what we have to say is worthless, there is nothing we can do to help your education. If and when you actually find a nice artifact I guarantee we will all be congratulating you so don't take it as an affront when we tell you your finds are not in fact artifacts.

 

[matthew8606]

Actually I did, I found a piece of obsidian that was turned in to a little knife/hide scaper, I've been looking everywhere for it. and if you notice the hide scraper that I posted clearly shows working marks.. It may not look like it but it's an old piece.. My area is not tools of flint napping.. these are made from a glacier that settled, strong hard rock. I haven't seen hardly any flint in this area. It may not look like it but a lot of these are much older and brittle than they seem. For example the hide scraper in the pic above.. if I soaked it in water for two long and took the brush to it I would lose all the marking. of course not all of them are of such but a lot are. I personally don't think that all of these are artifacts.. a lot of them have notches. The fact of the matter is that I posted 3 artifacts that I have already gotten authenticated, And no one has said anything about them. That just proves to me that no matter how long you you've been doing this it doesn't mean you know it all because you obviously don't. And that right there is facts! We all learn something new everyday.. well.. Some of us do that is., lol

 

[Gaspipe]

Yeah I agree those are products of nature; not man.

 

[CRUSADER]

Actually I did, I found a piece of obsidian that was turned in to a little knife/hide scaper, I've been looking everywhere for it. and if you notice the hide scraper that I posted clearly shows working marks.. It may not look like it but it's an old piece.. My area is not tools of flint napping.. these are made from a glacier that settled, strong hard rock. I haven't seen hardly any flint in this area. It may not look like it but a lot of these are much older and brittle than they seem. For example the hide scraper in the pic above.. if I soaked it in water for two long and took the brush to it I would lose all the marking. of course not all of them are of such but a lot are. I personally don't think that all of these are artifacts.. a lot of them have notches. The fact of the matter is that I posted 3 artifacts that I have already gotten authenticated, And no one has said anything about them. That just proves to me that no matter how long you you've been doing this it doesn't mean you know it all because you obviously don't. And that right there is facts! We all learn something new everyday.. well.. Some of us do that is., lol

''I posted 3 artifacts that I have already gotten authenticated''

To clarify, are you stating 3 of these stones in this post have been authenticated? If so which 3 because I would like to learn something new. This is not my area of interest but I do pick up plenty of Neolithic worked Flint.

 

[matthew8606]

I posted three that have already been authenticated and yet no one has said a single thing about them? And I should take everyone's advice that they're not artifacts? Yea.. ok.... I've educated myself plenty.. Just thought maybe I actually found a site where flint napping wasn't the only thing people knew of.. lol I'm done hear. Good day.

 

[david680]

Actually I did, I found a piece of obsidian that was turned in to a little knife/hide scaper, I've been looking everywhere for it. and if you notice the hide scraper that I posted clearly shows working marks.. It may not look like it but it's an old piece.. My area is not tools of flint napping.. these are made from a glacier that settled, strong hard rock. I haven't seen hardly any flint in this area. It may not look like it but a lot of these are much older and brittle than they seem. For example the hide scraper in the pic above.. if I soaked it in water for two long and took the brush to it I would lose all the marking. of course not all of them are of such but a lot are. I personally don't think that all of these are artifacts.. a lot of them have notches. The fact of the matter is that I posted 3 artifacts that I have already gotten authenticated, And no one has said anything about them. That just proves to me that no matter how long you you've been doing this it doesn't mean you know it all because you obviously don't. And that right there is facts! We all learn something new everyday.. well.. Some of us do that is., lol

You going to have to point them out, because I see nothing that appears to be worked. If soaking a rock in what and doing a light brushing removes the signs of alteration, the stone is probably too insubstantial for use as a tool.

 

[matthew8606]

Exactly (flint) that's all these people know of. lol One of them is a drill.. one is a scraper and the other is a spear head. Neither of them are (flint)

 

[CRUSADER]

Exactly (flint) that's all these people know of. lol One of them is a drill.. one is a scraper and the other is a spear head. Neither of them are (flint)

It's all I'm familiar with, but I'm sure some of your US friends have plenty experience of non-flint tools.
I feel like I'm being thick because those 3 descriptions doesn't narrow it down for me, other than maybe that huge wedged piece might be the scraper? or the smaller one with your index finger hovering over it??
Just for me, please post just those 3 in the next post, so I can give it further thought? Cheers

 

[San Antone]

Matt, hate to see you leave and hope you don't harbor any ill feelings to anyone on this forum. Good luck in your journey for knowledge. When the light bulb finally turns on, please come on back. I for one will never hesitate to help you.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Just a FYI, there is a lot of experience in non flint artifacts here, just show some that are actual artifacts.

 

[against the wind]

Wow,, I found a rock once,,

 

[Backwoodsbob]

Matthew your pis sing into wind with these guys. Take them to sign and symbols of treasure or markers for finding treasure tread

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[Backwoodsbob]

The first and ninth pictures are for sure. The others a possibility

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[Backwoodsbob]

You guys know your artifacts which is this man made or natural stone

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