Native American stone tools. Better pictures and more finds. Part 2

[matthew8606]

Native American stone tools.

Ok. before we get to the (Just Another Rock) part. Let me start by saying no matter what you've read, or learned about stone tools on the internet, I am a firm believer that know matter what you believe.., anything is possible. These stones that I found are in fact not your average stones. I understand that they may not have the markings that other artifacts have such as arrowheads, but if you look closely at a few stones in the pictures you can distinctively see patterns and flat surfaces. I have done plenty of online research and yet I still haven't pinpointed the exact time frame these were made. Yes I understand that mother nature has a wonderful way of shaping things in to her own forms, but personally I believe these are man made. Depending on what kind of stone the tools are made from, I,m sure from being underground for so long will put some wear and tear on them, or just from being used or made that way. I found a beautiful hand held flat sided paint bowl with the a pestle inside the bowl at the same place I found most of these and sold it for $50.00.. Boys and girls let me tell you... It was one of the dumbest things I had ever done.., because exactly the day after i sold it a guy offered me $500.00 for it. :-( True story.. He is a collector of pestle and mortors and said I had one of the most beautiful bowls he had ever seen. But what is done is done. I'll post pictures of it as well when I get the chance. But seriously if you are unsure of what you see here I would still like to hear some feedback. I like to think I found and old native American settlement or whatever you call it. Right next to pretty decent size creek in a forty acre patch of timber or little less. Any feedback is much appreciated.

 

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[matthew8606]

I apologize if I came off sounding a bit arrogant. Not my intentions. Pictures definitely don't do justice. Perhaps I could be wrong.., but what if I'm not. Its hard to believe such stones were formed exactly like A battle axe, a polishing stone, a hammer stone. spear heads.., possibly a wedge, a perfectly round paint bowl with two holes.., I've done my extended research since the time I discovered them and it is very possible that these are one of a kind stone tools.. not saying there isn't any like them because there definitely is.. but to find them in such great shape and all in the same area... I personally believe it takes a special eye to see outside of the box and I'm sure there are many out there with the same eye that I have. Peace and love to everyone. Happy hunting. :-)

 

[bobby5]

I am in the learning process after finding a few points, but you might want to post on the North American Indian Artifacts. North American Indian Artifacts Good Luck

 

[Aussie]

I can see where you're coming from, if they are old tools they are very crude an very old in my opinion. I'm by far no expert on this stuff, the previous advice on posting it to American Indian artifacts is good advice.
I think you've found something really good. Keep us posted.

 

[matthew8606]

Thanks for the Advice. I truly appreciate it.

 

[matthew8606]

Thanks Aussie.. I will definitely post an update once I get word about the stones. :-)

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Matt, sorry but there is nothing there to suggest the are indian artifacts, all appear to be made by mother nature...

 

[JJ1965]

I am in the learning process after finding a few points, but you might want to post on the North American Indian Artifacts. North American Indian Artifacts Good Luck

He does not want to put these rocks on the North American Indian Artifacts forum. He will get his feelings hurt quick over there.

 

[creekhunter]

Probably could have been used, but hey, if I need a hammer and a rock is nearby, sometimes I use the rock.

 

[matthew8606]

lol No feelings hurt here.. You'll believe what you want and I'll believe what I want. The difference between you and I, is that I have hard facts. No these are not just natural rocks.. Perhaps a few may be but I'm no dumby.., I don't care how much you think you know. Thanks for the "Advice" but just because you haven't seen or had something authenticated doesn't mean it isn't. You only know what you read and learn. I guess it's not everyday you come across something like this. But Thanks for the feedback. :-) Happy hunting. :-)

 

[DownNDirty]

The two in the second through fifth pictures appear to be arrow shaft abraders (used to shave down and straighten limbs for use as arrows or spears). The one in the 13th and 14th pictures appears to be a nutting stone; they would place a nut in the hole and hit it with another rock to crack it open. The rock in pic #18 is (in my opinion) a very nice pestle; not sure about the others.

And the site you found them on sounds like a prime spot for a camp site-right next to a water source.

 

[DownNDirty]

He does not want to put these rocks on the North American Indian Artifacts forum. He will get his feelings hurt quick over there.

I doubt it; they know what is a "rock" and what is an artifact and at least some of these are clearly artifacts (if you know what to look for). Why berate the guy for posting his finds? Not necessary.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

I apologize if I came off sounding a bit arrogant. Not my intentions. Pictures definitely don't do justice. Perhaps I could be wrong.., but what if I'm not. Its hard to believe such stones were formed exactly like A battle axe, a polishing stone, a hammer stone. spear heads.., possibly a wedge, a perfectly round paint bowl with two holes.., I've done my extended research since the time I discovered them and it is very possible that these are one of a kind stone tools.. not saying there isn't any like them because there definitely is.. but to find them in such great shape and all in the same area... I personally believe it takes a special eye to see outside of the box and I'm sure there are many out there with the same eye that I have. Peace and love to everyone. Happy hunting. :-)

Mother nature forms trillions upon trillions of rocks that man's imagination sees shapes in but in the end they are still just rocks..... I walked creeks, streams, rivers and fields in Missouri and Illinois for over 20 years. I found thousands like yours but no signs of hands of man on them..

 

[DetectingGodlikeOnOlympus]

It's not up to us to suspend disbelief. It is up to you to prove your case with evidence. That is the difference between superstition and science.

Here is a link to a full page of acheulean hand axes, which were made from a couple of hundred thousand years ago to almost a couple of million years ago. The oldest specimens still exhibit a systematic reduction into a final shape.

https://www.google.com/search?q=ach...hUKEwjVxNne56XPAhVS2GMKHXspBCIQ_AUIBigB&dpr=1

I am offering my opinion since you asked, instead of saying "NICE FINDS!"

There are people here who find arrowheads in fields, bone tools around middens, little polished effigies, and polished hardstone. It would be wise to take the opinions offered on these natural specimens!

 

[DownNDirty]

Not all Native American tools were made by knapping rocks. For instance hammer stones were simply rounded river rocks that were used to chip pieces off of other rocks to make projectile points, blades and tools. Also, nutting stones were made by grinding shallow indentions into rocks, and pestles/manos were rounded rocks that were used to grind nuts and grains (usually with no alteration to the rock before use). In addition to evidence of knapping, archaeologists look for "usage wear," as some of the pictured pieces appear (at least to me) to have. But that's just my opinion based on the pictures.

There's no harm in posting that you don't believe that posted finds have not been altered or used by man, but there is no need to hurl insults at the OP. That was my point.

 

[matthew8606]

They were not found (in) a creek or river, or stream.., they many feet away from a creek. I have taken everything in to consideration and will continue to do so.. These photos I took suck and will be replacing this forum with much better pictures. These aren't the only ones I found. Only a few that I decided to post. Be back soon with a better forum.. Thanks again everyone.

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

They were not found (in) a creek or river, or stream.., they many feet away from a creek. I have taken everything in to consideration and will continue to do so.. These photos I took suck and will be replacing this forum with much better pictures. These aren't the only ones I found. Only a few that I decided to post. Be back soon with a better forum.. Thanks again everyone.

I didn't just walk water, I walked fields too, and river and water courses change over hundreds of years which is why they find river boat and flat bottom boat wreaks thousands of feet from present day rivers...

 

[RobRieman]

If they are man made tools it sure wouldn't be a big loss if you lost one back in the day. Just grab another rock laying around and replace it. I'm sure they beat on a lot of things with rocks but does that make every rock a tool?

 

[San Antone]

Matthew, I have been hunting and collecting Native American artifacts for 33 years. I agree with Treasure_Hunter, these are all natural. Please do take better pictures and repost them on the Indian Artifact Forum. There are quite a few over there that know their stuff. Listen to them and learn from them. I remember when I first started collecting. Boy was I glad that I knew a couple of experienced collectors and was able to learn from them. One thing my father told me as I was growing up; "son never let your pride hinder your quest for knowledge". Good luck on your endeavors.

 

[against the wind]

Well they all started as rocks but I do see some alterations that indicate they were used for more than just rolling around in a creek.
Thanks for the post.