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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by Older The Better View Post
    I’m not even sold on this idea but I’ll throw it out there, my first impression was fire damage. Fire spalls could look like intentional removals. But that area with the straight lines is reminiscent of burned earth or ceramics with grass impressions/ tool marks fired inside
    Potlid fire pops? Interesting!
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    Quote Originally Posted by uniface View Post
    1) Under magnification in good light does it show evidence of having been used (use wear) ? Rounding/blunting +/or chipping.

    2) Does that material occur naturally on that site ? (Not just in the area).
    Picture 5 of the original set would be the end that did the digging. To me it looks like a big pressure flake has been taken out of the middle and the sharper edge softened from use. Also, if it is a hoe-type tool, it could really only be used to dig in one direction. The compression fractures across the surface that would be in compression while digging (picture 4), and the lack of any such features on the side that would be in tension (picture 3) led me to believe that, whatever process it has undergone, the type of stresses felt by the two opposite surfaces have not been similar. To me it definitely looks like a used digging tool that was worn smooth with use and re-sharpened multiple times, leading to the upward bevel of the edge that you can see in the bottom left of picture 2 (top left if you click on it).

    I've never seen this material in my life, and I most definitely have seen nothing like this at the area I've been going to. It was so out of place that my fiancee thought I had dug a meteor out of the river mud and was celebrating the "meteor" all day. I am starting to think the hematite opinions are right, as there is quite a bit of oxidation within the "bubbly" part. I didn't want to scratch it with sandpaper to verify, but one of my best friends is a geologist, and he'll be here in the morning to go hunting with me and confirm or deny that hypothesis.
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  3. #18

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    The fact that you thought it stood out means someone else likely noticed the same thing many years ago.

    It would be SO much more useful for digging if it was attached to a handle of some sort. Right?
    Would you use your hands like that if technology existed to make durable useful tools designed for the specific task you were doing?
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    I have two tools with a similar flat digging surface. Not the same type of black stone. I do have other tools that are made from what seems to be the same black stone.The flat surface is on the right side of the pic. It is similar to pic 1. Cody's seems to have a square "handle on the opposite end. Mine is shaped just like a mattock. The flat broad surface is for digging and the other end of mine is like a chopping bit. Click image for larger version. 

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred250 View Post
    I once read on here that “fits the hand” is only evidence for bone tools, not stone. What a crock. I have no idea on your rock, but to think flake removals weren’t made for ergonomic reasons is nonsense. How many hafted tools could you carry with you, not too many I’d think. In order to be mobile you would need hand held tools.
    No, polish and grind marks are proof of Bone Tools. Not that it fits your hand. Pretty much everything we pick up will fit our hands. It's kinda how they are made.
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    I can see paleo peoples now following prey with a golf bags of hafted tools over their shoulders. No disrespect intended, just like to joke around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CodyPratt View Post
    I am starting to think the hematite opinions are right, as there is quite a bit of oxidation within the "bubbly" part. I didn't want to scratch it with sandpaper to verify, but one of my best friends is a geologist, and he'll be here in the morning to go hunting with me and confirm or deny that hypothesis.
    So... what's the verdict?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdog View Post
    So... what's the verdict?
    My geologist "friend" didn't show up, and after 30 minutes I called him, and he said he woke up late and was on his way. (The plan was to meet at my house prior to going to the river to answer my rock questions.) He called me 40 minutes later and asked where I was... This guy went out to the river without me. So I sat on a couch for over an hour waiting on him and when I got to the river he had already been down and searching the stretch we planned on exploring for 40 minutes.
    With that being said, I think it's Hematite, and I still think it is a travel hand hoe. I found a different one when I found all of those points the other day that is the same material but different shape/tool. Lol I'll grab a photo when I get home.
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    No brain power from me but I enjoyed the post...
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  10. #25
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    I hope you all can see the marks on this as well as I can. I never feel like photos do justice, but I'm pretty sure on these after finding this one. lol I may be wrong, but I trusted my gut (and my mechanical engineering knowledge) on everything else I've found, and they are all turning out to be right, so I have high hopes!

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    This is me attempting to show how there is a notch around the edge for each finger and a flake removed for the thumb. The "palm" area has significant deep striations that are similar to those on the worked edge, but harder to see as well without me understanding photo lighting. lol

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    I actually have a third too I just found in the unsorted items still in my backpack. It's smaller and has a rounded working edge for maybe scraping a hemp stalk or something. I'll graph photos of it after I clean it up. All of them have oxidation in the crevices, so I'm still thinking hematite. They feel slightly lighter than chert, but heavier than expected. My brain expects them to have the density of burnt wood.
    Last edited by CodyPratt; Oct 08, 2020 at 10:30 PM.
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    This one sure fits the hand but its just a natural erosion stone. I brought it home anyway lol. Good luck in the field.
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  12. #27
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    ...if that is comparable to what I have, I need to hire a photographer... lol I appreciate the opinions, but after the second and third find, I'm 99% sure the conchoidal fractures and grooves are not natural. We'll see though. I am going to have the local archaeologist/flintknapper check them out later in the week with a bunch of the other projectile points and chert tools I found with these, so hopefully he'll know more.

 

 
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