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    I need your brains...

    I found this oddball sticking out like a sore thumb in this area I've been finding a bunch of points and chert tools. I didn't think much when I put it in the backpack, but once I got home I realized it's stone. It kind of looks like wood that burnt, then petrified, then was knapped in places for finger holds and converted to a little hand-hoe type device. Is that a series of events that would unfold? lol Has anyone ever seen something similar or have any ideas from the photos? I'm open to hearing out all interpretations.

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    Banjo Man

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    It looks like a piece of naturally formed hematite to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tdog View Post
    It looks like a piece of naturally formed hematite to me.
    How would those massive gashes on the first one form? My geology friend thought "river worn jasper" from the photos. lol I still think photo 1, 3, 5, and 6 also show fairly clear characteristic flaking or tool marks, but I'd like to hear ideas as to how those happened naturally.

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    This is if I put my thumb and index finger in what I think look like knapped out holes. (My hand feels ever slightly too large, but I am 6' tall)

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    Banjo Man

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    I'd say via glacier movement or other erosive process.
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    It's very common for people to say that a particular object "fits the hand". Very few artifacts were made to fit the hand or with thumb grooves, finger holes, etc.
    Most celts & axes were fitted to handles and flint tools were sharpened so much that knappers would not waste time chipping in hand holds. You have what appears to be a natural rock worn smooth by natural processes. JMO.
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    Mike

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    Agree with above comments
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    Natural
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    Quote Originally Posted by newnan man View Post
    It's very common for people to say that a particular object "fits the hand". Very few artifacts were made to fit the hand or with thumb grooves, finger holes, etc.
    Most celts & axes were fitted to handles and flint tools were sharpened so much that knappers would not waste time chipping in hand holds. You have what appears to be a natural rock worn smooth by natural processes. JMO.
    Oh I totally agree. That's why I put it to those who know better. I'm a mechanical engineer and I work with machining/manufacturing research, so I like to think I have a slightly weighted opinion on interpreting "random processes" vs "various forms of tooling," and I have just been finding an abundance of arrowheads and knives and whatnot along this little stretch of creek, so I figured it would be better to explain in detail that it looks like it is clearly tooled to fit in the hand for digging rather than leaving the detail out and hoping people could infer. I appreciate the opinions though. I'll have to buy my geologist friend breakfast in the morning since the internet agrees with him. lol
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    Also, I won't be offended if a mod moves this to rocks. Idk how, or if I'm supposed to, but no hard feelings. lol
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    1) Under magnification in good light does it show evidence of having been used (use wear) ? Rounding/blunting +/or chipping.

    2) Does that material occur naturally on that site ? (Not just in the area).
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    I once read on here that “fits the hand” is only evidence for bone tools, not stone. What a crock. I have no idea on your rock, but to think flake removals weren’t made for ergonomic reasons is nonsense. How many hafted tools could you carry with you, not too many I’d think. In order to be mobile you would need hand held tools.
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    Banjo Man

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fred250 View Post
    to think flake removals weren’t made for ergonomic reasons is nonsense.
    Mother Nature would agree.
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    Iím not even sold on this idea but Iíll throw it out there, my first impression was fire damage. Fire spalls could look like intentional removals. But that area with the straight lines is reminiscent of burned earth or ceramics with grass impressions/ tool marks fired inside
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