The Myth of Man-Made Global Warming

[allen_idaho]

Every time someone comes along talking about the global warming "crisis", the blame always comes back around to humans and pollution.

But what you fail to understand is that global warming AND global cooling are naturally occuring phenomena. With or without us, it would continue to happen in a perpetual cycle.

Lets look back a few million years. When dinosaurs roamed the Earth, the entire planet was one big sweltering jungle. As such, all dominant species on the planet were cold-blooded. The polar ice caps were virtually non-existant and the sea level was higher.

Then what happened?

An Ice Age. The planet rapidly cooled. The sea level lowered, the ice caps grew. The cold-blooded creatures virtually died out. Warm-blooded creatures emerged. And that brings us to today.

Since then, the temperature has continued to fluctuate between extreme warming periods and cooling periods.

Take Napoleon's occupation in France for example. During his march toward Waterloo, he and his men became trapped in what is known as the "Little Ice Age" which devastated Europe in the early 1800's. It was reportedly so cold that some of Napoleon's men would cut flesh from the horses they were marching with and the wound would not bleed.

During that time period, a dramatic climate shift swept across Europe destroying the majority of available crops and causing thousands to die of starvation.

Now we come back to the present. The temperature is now on the rise again. Heat waves feed super storms, the ice caps begin to melt. By the end of 2012, they should be completely gone and the sea level should rise again.

This will lead to another dramatic climate shift. Then, I'm sure you know what's coming next. Ice Age. The planet will revert back to the cooling stage.

But in this day and age, does that spell certain doom for humanity? Of course not. Change, yes. Total annihilation, no. With the available technology, I feel confident that we as a species can survive.

[jeff of pa]

what else I noticed.
I don't know about your area but we are not hitting any Record Highs or lows,
or a regular basis to warrant worry.

most records are still standing from the late 19th. early 20th century.

after New orleans they predicted we were going to get hit by
more and more cat 4's and 5's

I don't see it
Or us Breaking any Old hurricane Records

[aarthrj3811]

Who can know what’s happening. Twist and spin is all you can learn from the media….Now they are keeping track of the 90 degrees days and going all gaa-gah every time we have one and tell me how hot it is. The important one is days over 100 degrees. We have had two days over 100 degrees this summer and I am not sure of one of them. Normal should be around 30 days of 100 plus degrees.
I recognize this Weather Pattern we are having. In the late 1960’s and early 1970’s we had thunder storms almost daily. Lightning strikes were causing forest fires daily.
I guess I am suppose to believe that the 20 something Weather Babe knows more than I do and jump on the bandwagon…Art

[jimb]

Keep this in mind, we have been lied to about everything in our lives from day one. And two the weather is big business. Remember when we had to ditch freon b/c it was bad for the Ozone? We had to have catalytic converters. Al Gore making big bucks on his DVD. Etc. And still things are changing and will continue to change. In fact you ain't seen nothing yet!

[allen_idaho]

What I'm trying to say is that we are in a naturally occuring flux. Back in the 1970's, they thought we were going through this exact same thing. A huge panic started about global warming and a coming ice age. But then nothing happened.

If you want to find truth, absolute no bullshit truth, you have to look at history. See for yourself what has happened in the past. Look at the facts. They don't lie.

There is a saying: "Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it".

[jimb]

Yes history does repeat its self. There was a time when all the advanced ancient civilizations had to change their calendar, all at the same time. But the last time we had global warming there were no cars causing pollution. So what happened? By the way the ice is also melting on Mars. Are they trying to tell us that they have cars there? Rember they blame us and our cars! That is why we need special formulated expensive gas for the summer. Or is it just for profit?

[aarthrj3811]

I remember having an old Nash before they came up with “smog” systems. I could put a dollar in gas in it and drive all week. Progress I don’t think so….Art

[aarthrj3811]

If you want to find truth, absolute no bull[prohibited word deleted] truth, you have to look at history. See for yourself what has happened in the past. Look at the facts. They don't lie.

I was just looking at the evening news a few minutes ago. I guess I will have to replace all three of my old thermometers. We just set a new high temperature record. It was 99 degrees today. Now keep in mind that the official weather station is 2 ½ miles from my house. It started to rain about 2 pm and my thermometers only read 83 degrees. A soon as the weather report was over there was a flash flood warning on the air. Gee….I guess we are to stupid to look out the window….Art

[patpall22]

This is just my opinion but I also find it a bit arrogant of humans to think that they are causing this giant ball that has been around for nearly 4.6 billion years to heat up with the 200 or so years that man has engaged in fossil fuels and heavy industry. It would blow my mind if we could destroy something as profound as the planet in 0.0000000434% of earth’s history. Just another distraction from the serious issues that need addressing.

[Stargeezer]

You have to remember that this is such an important topic that we (humans, and the US in particular) must do "something" to stop it. Like one of the guys in my astronomy club asked- "Are you willing to take the chance?" Being me, I answered, "Of course."

[liquid1]

al gore is a hypocrit and a money monger he is not living what he preaches ..he uses more power and oil than we all do..he has found a way to make money by scareing people..global warming and cooling has been around forever centurys, as long as history has existed...yes we all can help mostly for our own lungs and well being to cut down on polution..just mt .02 worth..james

[aarthrj3811]

You have to remember that this is such an important topic that we (humans, and the US in particular) must do "something" to stop it. Like one of the guys in my astronomy club asked- "Are you willing to take the chance?" Being me, I answered, "Of course."

How do we stop Mother Nature??Art

[Illinois Jeff]

Al Gore will make us all believe in global warming when the Gov't starts making us pay carbon taxes. Yep it's already on the table. Whatever is said to leave a carbon footprint will be taxed to pay for it's eventual clean-up. Just more ways for them to get and control more money.

[aarthrj3811]

Or we follow George Bushes plan…After all the planet has been cooling while he was President….Art

[21stTNCav]

Pippin, are you the master of false logic? 1) The Saguaro national monument showing effects of pollution does not prove MMGW.
2) Pouring gas on you lawn may pollute it, but again does not prove MMGW.
3) I assume you are talking about the Cyahoga in Cleavland which ignited back in the 70's. Does not prove MMGW.
4) Whales beaching themselves when the navy turns on their sonar? What the he** does it have to do with MMGW at all?
5) Acid rain? Not proven to connect to MMGW.
6) WTF?? People croaking from air pollution. Again nothing to do with MMGW.
7) Boulder dam caused the earth to shift? I don't know where ya got it but does not jive with MMGW.
8) The Ozone hole does not exist any more. It was a momentary anomaly. I believe that was the 80"s "The sky is falling" deal.
9) Rachel Carson?? You know that does not have anything to do with MMGW.

My friend, I listen to Coast to Coast am also. I just do not believe that President Bush was a alien, and that a space saucer abducted JFK right before he was shot. If you wish to believe this religious experience of Global Warming then do so, but these facts you list are not facts proving MMGW, sorry.

[Eu_citzen]

I find it funny you mention "Acid rain" as we can just as well relate that volcanoes, one of the gases they produce is sulphur dioxide, do you know what happens when that reacts to water vapour? Yeah that's right, acid ad when it rains viola! Acid rain.

The Ozone layer is on the constant move, and as such it never is stable everywhere there will be thicker and thinner parts.
Also Freons did weaken it, though keep in mind that it also regenerates.

Worry more about surface occurring Ozone, it's dangerous down here...

I think we have very little effect on it (global warming), if any at all.
And as Allen suggests we have to look back many million years to see that it has always changed. From one extreme to another.

[NeilinFR]

What I'm trying to say is that we are in a naturally occuring flux. Back in the 1970's, they thought we were going through this exact same thing. A huge panic started about global warming and a coming ice age. But then nothing happened.

If you want to find truth, absolute no bull--deleted-- truth, you have to look at history. See for yourself what has happened in the past. Look at the facts. They don't lie.

There is a saying: "Those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it".

Allen do you think humans are impacting this whole process? I understand what your saying about cycles, lots of people still point to that, but theres sure alot of scientific evidence that points at humans as at the very least accelerating this whole process.

One of the responders points to Al Gore making alot of money off his DVD. How would you say that compares to say GM who keeps waving the VOLT in our faces saying its just around the corner, when other manufacturers are coming out with electric cars next year? Personally I agree that we are being lied to alot, and misdirected in our thinking on some subjects. Im saying I think alot of global warming misdirected info comes out of Detroit.

Do you believe this all will pass and we will find out we humans had no impact on this?

Thanks,
Neil

[allen_idaho]

What I believe is that it is just egocentric to think that humans could have a profound impact on the weather in a global sense in the space of just 200 years. I don't think humans are responsible for climate change in any form.

One more fact that is constantly overlooked is Earth's global tilt. That is, the North and South poles are tilted rather than being straight up and down. Imagine the way that an average globe sits. The kind you would find in school.

This is important because that tilt completes one rotation every 40,000 years. As the tilt gets closer to the sun, the global temperature gets hotter. Thus, global warming. As the tilt gets further from the sun, it gets colder. Instant Ice Age.

Now when the dinosaurs existed, this tilt was closer to the sun. The entire planet was extremely hot, thus the dominance of several large, predominantly cold blooded species. As the reign of the dinosaur came to a close, the global tilt went into the other phase and the planet cooled. The Ice Age hit. Warm blooded animals became the dominant caste. Very few cold-blooded creatures survived, becoming the reptiles you see today.

And that brings us to the the present day. My theory is that we are heading back into the heat phase. The planet will become hotter. The ice caps will melt yet again. The sea level will rise again. It would do this, like clockwork, with or without human interference. And it looks to be right on schedule as far as scientific evidence would suggest. But it is all theory.

The bottom line is that I do not think humans had any impact whatsoever. I also think that Al Gore and car makers are pushing electric vehicles because the oil market is no longer poised to be the big money maker. the Green energy industry is booming and they are getting in on the ground floor. To help this investment, they use scare tactics. Buy this or you are killing us all! Ahhh!!!

They did the same thing back in the late 70's early 80's when they came out with the first electric car concepts. But interest faded and they were never produced. Only time will tell if it will happen again.

Al Gore is doing his best to cash in by inventing carbon credits. As if paying his company money for pollution levels does anything other than make him wealthier.

[NeilinFR]

I guess you could say its egocentric to also think you know what your saying is true.
You missed my point on the cars, I do wish Detroit would be pushing the electric car instead of saying they are but they are not. The two manufacturers arent from Detroit for the cars I am talking about.

If you dont think that humans are causing any impact on the planet then I have to back out of this conversation, we are just to far apart on our thinking.

Thanks for your thoughts,
Neil

[Eu_citzen]

If we have a impact on global warming, it is minimal. We are still counting CO2 in PPM (parts per million)


If you are interested look here:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/

I can agree it might be warming, but I have yet to see any proof that we are the reason.
Natural forces are so much more powerful then us.