Apr 27, 2012, 03:34 PM
Icalled the sherriff and the head Ranger at the forest service i told the sherriff he needs to do his job and i told the Ranger he needs to fire the leo that stoled the mans eq. i also told him that there little agenda21 ant going to work as the popple are wakeing up and the sherriffs do have the right to revoke the forest service police power. i leat it be known that i have been pushing the sherriffs hard to do just that.and also told him they do knot own the public lands that they are owened by us we the popple that they are only intrusted with the upkeep of the lands and thats it.
Originally Posted by Hefty1
Apr 27, 2012, 03:41 PM
Conservative Cherokee "WP" (Wolf Pack 4Ever)
Hefty, Take this one giant step higher. Contact Fox New and Shaun Hannity. Let them know you are a victim of government over-reach. We can all bombard their web sites in support of you, if you want to pursue this action.
Apr 28, 2012, 03:10 AM
LRL fraud debunked
Folks, I suggest losing the "it's all about Obama" mentality. This stuff has been going on a lot longer than anyone out West has heard of Obama. And he's from Chicago, he don't know carp about this wild west stuff one way or the other, his mental map stops at Denver. Concentrate on what actually happened and the people who are actually involved, don't let your partisan political opinions distract you from the part that's real.
I really like the idea of the local sheriff grabbing some arrogant federal employees by the collar and explaining to them how to avoid jail time.
Apr 28, 2012, 10:18 AM
If I had clicked on the link in the initial post I wouldn't have reason to ask how I could help. So after reading the link I found out, how I can help. Count me in I will do what I can.
Last edited by stilllookin; Apr 28, 2012 at 12:02 PM.
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Apr 28, 2012, 05:24 PM
I do think the FS is over stepping their authority and we are getting f$cked by the Agenda 21 pinko-environmentalists.
But on the yellow notice that the FS put up does have a 2 week warning that the equip was going to be impounded. That might be an out for the FS and I think I remember reading that you can't leave equip. unatended for some amount of time or some B.S. like that.
From my experiences with the law, once they take your equip. you will never see it again. Fish and Game took some of my diving gear and the only way I got it back was I went to one of their auctions and bought it all back for $20. Great place to get equip. I bought lots of 5-6 fishing poles for $1-$5. Tons of spot lights from dear poachers and coolers of all sizes.
Hope you beat the *******s.
Apr 28, 2012, 09:28 PM
Conservative Cherokee "WP" (Wolf Pack 4Ever)
Woof, Yes we have been under attack for years by the leftest, liberal, enviromental wack jobs. All of which has been supported by the democrat party. The muslim in the White House and his socialist cohorts have taken this attack to a new and higher level.
van jones anyone??
PS, I do not capitalize those I have not only no respect but also complete disdain for.
Apr 28, 2012, 11:11 PM
A little treat for you guys.....This was my first letter to him sent on 3-15-12. Their office signed for it on 3-16-12
To Tahoe National Forest,
American River Ranger District,
Law Enforcement Office
Mr. Tom Madrigal
I am the Lawful Owner of the Active Mineral Deposit named
Golden Eagle CAMC 0280109 located at Sec.26, T.14N, R.11E, Mer. MDM within the Tahoe National Forest. (Location Notice included )
On 03/12/2012 I discovered that all of my mining incident tools were missing and these two posters stapled to trees. Indicating that United States Forest Service has seized my property. And to contact this office. (copy of poster included )
I am requesting a written response, in detail, as to the reason U.S.F.S. Tahoe National Forest, American River Ranger District has seized my property.
I am requesting a written response, a detailed record of this seizure.
I am requesting a written response, the process to reacquire my property.
According to Title 36 CFR Sub, Sec, 262.12 I have 90 days before my property is disposed of.
Would you please respond within 14 days of receipt of this letter, so that this matter can be taken care of.
Thank you in advance, for your cooperation in this matter.
This was his response letter to me....rec, it 4-11-12 read it and tell me whats wrong with this....I will start with the first sentence....."Saturday March 18th 2012"...look up that date. And these are their LEGAL people!
United States Forest Law Enforcement and USDA Agriculture Department of Service Investigations
631 Coyote Street
Nevada City, CA 95959-2250
530-265-4531530-478-6118 TDD530-478-6179 FAX
April 9, 2012
Mr. Mark Hepfner
On Saturday March 18, 2012, Officer T. Madrigal received your certified letter regarding property that was impounded from National Forest System lands in Township 14 N, Range 11 E, and Section 26, Mount Diablo Meridian (base map), approximately one mile upstream of the North Fork of the Middle Fork American River along Mosquito Ridge Road (USFS #96), and located within American River Ranger District (ARRD) of the Tahoe National Forest.
You inquired why the personal property in question was impounded and under what authority.
Title 36 Code of Federal Regulations (CFR), section 261.10(e) prohibits anyone from abandoning personal property on NFS lands. 36 CFR 262.12 provides the authority for the Forest Service to impound unauthorized personal property left on NFS lands. Because the personal property in question fell within the prohibition, was unauthorized, and in trespass on NFS lands, the Forest Service impounded it following the procedures of 36 CFR 262.12.The unattended personal property in question was initially observed by Forest Law Enforcement officers on September 27, 2011.
On October 29th a concerned citizen reported some unrelated suspicious activity in this general area. Upon following up on the citizen report, one of the same Forest Law Enforcement officers again observed the same abandoned personal property in question at the same site as he had observed in September. There was no identifying information with the personal property in question. The officer notified the ARRD Minerals staff and reported seeing the personal property in question, evidence of some ground disturbance and possible mining activities occurring, and inquired whether the District Ranger had authorized the use and/or storage of the personal property. The Forest Service reviewed the District's records for that site, but did not find any authorized Plans of Operation for that area where the personal property was found. Thus, the Forest Service had no information as to whose personal property that could be, and the Forest Service was unfamiliar with anyone using that area. The ARRD Minerals staff then utilized the BLM database for recorded mining claims to see if anyone had a mining claim in the geographic area where the personal property had been abandoned. The only information that was found in the BLM database was that a person had located an unpatented mining claim named the Boomer mining claim that covered the NFS lands where the personal property had been abandoned.
Caring for the Land and Serving People
Mr. Hepfner Page 2 of 3
On December 9th
2011, the District Ranger sent a letter to the owner of record of the Boomer mining claim, inquiring whether the personal property in question belonged to him. The owner of the Boomer mining claim hiked to the site to see the personal property and responded back to the Forest Service that while the personal property in question was left on NFS lands within the boundaries of his mining claim, the personal property in question was not his.
After determining that the personal property in question was not authorized by a Forest officer, as required by 36 CFR 262.12(a), and unable to determine the name and address of the person or persons who may own the personal property in question, on February 1, 2012, the Forest Service followed the notification procedure in 36 CFR 262.12(b). A notice of intention to impound the property in trespass was published in the Auburn Journal, posting the notice at the Placer County Courthouse in Auburn, California and at the local post office in Foresthill, California, and posted two notices at and in proximity to the site where the unauthorized personal property was left.Your letter included a photocopy of this notice as an attachment.
Under 36 CFR 262.12(b) any inanimate personal property left on NFS lands without the authorization of a Forest officer may be impounded at any time 15 days after this notice was first published and posted.On February 22, 2011, Officer Madrigal hiked to the site within the Boomer mining claim and found all the personal property still in the exact location that it was on February 1st. On Tuesday, February 28, 2011, the Forest Service impounded the unauthorized personal property using cargo nets and a helicopter to fly out the impounded personal property and took out all the garbage at this site, as well.
Neither Officer Madrigal nor the ARRD Minerals staff had any knowledge that there was an adjacent or overlapping mining claim known as the Golden Eagle at the same, or near the, location as the Boomer mining claim, until the Forest Service received your letter and you identified yourself as the owner of the personal property and provided the CAMC number for the Golden Eagle mining claim. The ARRD Minerals staff then checked the District's records and did not find any Forest Service records indicating that you have a current approved Plan of Operations or any other Forest Service authorization that allowed you to store personal property at this site on NFS lands.
In response to your request, a copy of the inventory record of personal property impounded is attached.
Unknown type(s) of wildlife destroyed some of the property, while some of the property contained various insects and rodent feces and had to be disposed of for employee health and safety reasons, as well as to avoid potentially contaminating our storage facility.
Per your request, pursuant to 36 CFR 262.12(c), also included in the web link below, is the authority and regulations you need to follow in order to redeem the personal property, in the meantime, I will direct my officers to calculate all costs associated with the impounding, removal, and storage of this property. The date fixed for the disposition of this property is May 15.2012.
Mr. Hepfner Page 3 of 3
In summary section 262.12(c) provides that you must redeem the personal property within 90 days of the day of impoundment, that is, no later than May 14, 2012, by submitting proof of ownership and paying all expenses incurred by the United States in advertising, gathering, moving, impounding, storing, and otherwise caring for the property, and also for the value of the use of the site occupied during the period of the trespass.
If you do not redeem it on or before May 15, 2012, the property shall be sold or disposed of by the Forest Service as provided in 36 CFR 262.12(d).
If you believe that you have documentation of Forest Service authorization that allowed you to store the personal property in question at that site on NFS lands that the Forest Service did not find when it checked its records associated with the Golden Eagle mining claim, I would encourage you to contact either of my officers at the ARRD and to arrange a meeting so that they may review your documentation.
If you believe you have such documentation, I encourage you to promptly contact the number below and arrange a meeting, because spring is a busy season for my officers, and I want to ensure one of my officers can be available to meet with you, if you would like a meeting.
If you do not believe you have documentation and call to arrange a meeting, I will follow-up with another letter in approximately the next week advising you of the associated costs of redemption.
Should you wish to speak to me, I can be reached at 530-994-3401 ext. 6634
Either of my officers, Madrigal or Torres, can be reached directly at the American River Ranger Station at 530-367-2224. Please ask the front desk staff to put you through to the Law Enforcement Office
http ://cfr. vlex.com/vid/262-12-impounding-personal-property-19770786
Acting Patrol Captain
Tahoe National Forest
cc: Golden Eagle Claim File
cc:Tahoe NF LEI Case File #MALW009
cc: Capt. G. Barnett
Last edited by Hefty1; Apr 28, 2012 at 11:28 PM.
Apr 29, 2012, 06:50 AM
i just wonder, since youve already filed a report of this theft to the Sherif, why not ask him to go with you to retreive your property! after all he is the Sherif of the county where this equipment is stored isnt it?and definatly bring copys(for them,or their lawyers!) of all of your doumentation with you!and good luck in this!!
Last edited by russau; Apr 29, 2012 at 06:51 AM.
Reason: adding more
Apr 29, 2012, 07:56 AM
Morning Russau--Mark already talked to woosie sheriff and he wimped out and told him to talk to fs jackarse. Oh myne gott the critters pooped on your equipment and they had to DISPOSE OF THE HEALTH HAZARD and the 1872 mining laws be damned--ooooooo I don' thin'so bud. F'M' up good in court as jointly and severly liable as you stated all pertinent info posted on signs but I guess the mo'fo's blind and some enviro freak *****ed too. They better be able to produce'm or pure blue sky and bs jus' don't fly. If there is absolutely anything I can do Mark--even shutting the LL up just send me a pm as much respect for your family heritage and your Pops especially as a great man-tons a au 2 u 2 -John
Apr 29, 2012, 04:51 PM
No problem John and thanks......Just filed another report with Sheriff....should get a response this time, we'll see.
Mailed Tom McClintok,6 page letter, working on D.O.J. and Civil Suit. Soooooooooooo much paperwork. Mind boggling.
My time is money he will have to pay for!
Last edited by Hefty1; Apr 29, 2012 at 04:55 PM.
Apr 29, 2012, 11:40 PM
An eye for an eye thats what I say....
Apr 30, 2012, 08:49 AM
and a tooth for a tooth forsooth .....................I ,and others,have spread the word and your openess has already saved others the same fate my friend and as always tons a au 2 u 2-John
May 01, 2012, 01:36 PM
Finally....A sheriff is involved.
May 02, 2012, 06:30 AM
could you imagine the strie if you /sheriff/ and a news film crew showed up to arrest these guys for theft!id frame the artical and hang it on my wall!good luch Hefty1 and go getum!~
May 02, 2012, 06:34 AM
could you imagine the stire if you, the sheriff,and a news film crew showed up to arrest all that were involved with the theft of your property on a federal mining claime! id frame that artical and hang it in my living room!
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