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    Er... so the USFS employee did what he is paid to do: collected what he thought was abandoned property. What's the problem? Just go and get it, and then file a claim for what is no longer reclaimable. How in the world is the USFS doing its job considered "stealing?" The USFS removes a bloody hell of a lot of abandoned items from the forests. It is easy and simple to reclaim: one need merely tell them it belongs to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertphile View Post
    Er... so the USFS employee did what he is paid to do: collected what he thought was abandoned property. What's the problem? Just go and get it, and then file a claim for what is no longer reclaimable. How in the world is the USFS doing its job considered "stealing?" The USFS removes a bloody hell of a lot of abandoned items from the forests. It is easy and simple to reclaim: one need merely tell them it belongs to you.
    Did you read the article in the first post?

    "As the Golden Eagle is very clearly and plainly marked, not to mention the fact that claim records are publicly available from BLM, USFS employees violated Mark's rights by not following through with their fiduciary duties to protect his property."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertphile View Post
    Er... so the USFS employee did what he is paid to do: collected what he thought was abandoned property. What's the problem? Just go and get it, and then file a claim for what is no longer reclaimable. How in the world is the USFS doing its job considered "stealing?" The USFS removes a bloody hell of a lot of abandoned items from the forests. It is easy and simple to reclaim: one need merely tell them it belongs to you.
    I will not even touch this one...?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desertphile View Post
    Er... so the USFS employee did what he is paid to do: collected what he thought was abandoned property. What's the problem? Just go and get it, and then file a claim for what is no longer reclaimable. How in the world is the USFS doing its job considered "stealing?" The USFS removes a bloody hell of a lot of abandoned items from the forests. It is easy and simple to reclaim: one need merely tell them it belongs to you.
    Uh huh, and you have retrieved how much equipment from them? Why do they take it when they know it belongs to you in the first place and when it is in use? You go to the store and come back to find your gate open and they left in such a hurry that they don't even lock it back up... It's all to common for them to come grab your belongings and then send a letter to you, giving you 30 days to clean up your clean area, and when you go to your claim the same day, you find that they took first and sent the letter after. Plus they don't know what happened to your dredge, winch, motor home, etc. that one of them now has at home.
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    It seems that it's getting more and more common for employees of these state and federal agencies to not even bother with established procedures. If it means more work for them to do it "the right way" they simply ignore the rules and do what they want.

    Depending on the area, I can see where it wouldn't be out of the question for a miner not to visit their claim for over a month. This could be because of weather conditions, illness or any number of other valid reasons. So posting a notice at the claim is not always going to get the miners attention that there is a problem which needs to be addressed in the eyes of the forest service. From what I understand, these guys couldn't not even be bothered to look up the actual owner of the claim and send a notification to the listed address which we all KNOW is included in the BLM records. This shows nothing but a lack of even trying to follow the rules on their part and making up their own as they see fit. I seem to remember Hefty stating that his claim was clearly marked and those markers had his contact info on them. Again, no excuse for the improper actions of the rangers.

    Heftys' case just goes to show that every claim owner needs to learn and understand the laws if for no other reason than to protect themselves, their investments and their property from over zealous federal/state employees that are unwilling to do their jobs the way they are supposed to. Had the rangers in question followed the rules, a lot of the hassles and costs that Hefty went thru could have been avoided and the USFS could have avoided a lot of egg on their collective faces. That the situation is now repeating itself is the height of insanity on the part of the forest service.

    Claim owners are under fire all over the country thanks to the agendas of several different groups that want to take our rights away from us. If we allow them to succeed, we would be hard pressed to ever be able to regain those rights. These groups are not going to stop at just miners! Once they're done with us, they'll be going after hunters, fishermen, off road enthusiasts and every other section of the public that uses public lands for their enjoyment. I feel that we as claim owners and miners need to band together with other users of the public lands and let our voices be heard in our state capitols and in Washington. If we remain silent, our way of life could very well be lost forever.
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