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  1. #91
    Mar 2003
    6471 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Mark your the man as MUCH appreciated--and copied--the posted important info as in all my years I never saw such in the CFRs ever Been through them stinkn' regs hundreds a times but got it now. Please keep us posted as to events. Ifn' your ever in Redding,passing thru or just wanna jabberjaw and have a cold one I'm definately available and would joyously participate---RESPECT -John

  2. #92
    Dec 2010
    1436 times
    Thanks John for the invite......ya never know.....a cold one sounds great right now!

    That info is not part of the CFRs....it comes from one of many of FS manuals and handbooks they have.
    That info I posted came from this.......
    WO AMENDMENT 5309.11-2011-1
    EFFECTIVE DATE: 08/03/2011
    DURATION: This amendment is effective until superseded or removed.
    Page 14 of 79
    FSH 5309.11 - Law Enforcement HandbookChapter 20 - investigative procedures

    Forest Service Handbooknational headquarters (wo)Washington, DC

    FSH 5309.11 - Law Enforcement HandbookChapter 20 - investigative procedures
    Amendment No.: 5309.11-2011-1

    Effective Date: August 3, 2011

    Duration: This amendment is effective until superseded or removed.

    Approved:MARY WAGNER
    Associate Chief
    Date Approved:07/28/2011

  3. #93
    Dec 2010
    1436 times
    Table of Contents20.01 - Authority8
    20.02 - Objectives8
    20.04 - Responsibility8
    21.05 - Definitions8
    21.1 - Documentation9
    21.11 - Methods of Documenting Interviews9
    21.11a - Statements9
    21.11b - Affidavit (Sworn Statement)10
    21.11c - Statement (Unsworn)11
    21.12 - Memorandum of Interview11
    21.13 - Informal Notes11
    21.14 - Tape-Recorded Communication11
    21.14a - Recording Equipment13
    21.15 - Polygraph Examinations13
    21.2 - Suspect's Rights13
    21.21 - When Warnings Must Be Given13
    21.22 - Advice on Constitutional Rights Based on Miranda Ruling13
    21.23 - Waiver of Rights14
    21.24 - When Warning Need Not Be Given14
    21.25 - Warning to Juveniles14
    21.26 - Warning to Non-English Speaking Persons or Persons With Language Barriers14
    21.27 - Warning to Mentally Incompetent Persons15
    21.28 - Citizen's Civil Rights15
    21.3 - Employee's Rights and Obligations During Internal Criminal Investigations15
    21.31 - Types of Misconduct15
    21.32 - Employee Rights During All Interviews15
    21.32a - Types of Warnings16
    22.05 - Definitions17
    22.1 - Crime Scene Protection17
    22.2 - Witnesses, Suspects, and Victims18
    22.3 - Crime Scene Search18
    22.31 - Objectives18
    22.32 - Searching18
    22.33 - Sketching18
    22.33a - General Considerations for Making Sketch19
    22.33b - Types of Sketches19
    22.34 - Photographing Crime Scene19
    22.34a - Identification of Photographs19
    22.4 - Custody and Storage of Evidence20
    22.41 - Custody of Evidence20
    22.41a - Marking Evidence20
    22.41b - Identification of Property21
    22.41c - Booking Evidence21
    22.42 - Storage of Evidence22
    22.42a - Impounded Property22
    22.42b - Firearms23
    22.42c - Bodily Fluid and Slide Samples23
    22.42d - Liquid Containers23
    22.42e - Photographic and Video Evidence24
    22.42f - Perishable Evidence24
    22.42g - Evidence Subject to Tainting25
    22.42h - Knives, Needles, Razors, and Other Sharp Instruments25
    22.42i - Toxic, Flammable, and Hazardous Materials25
    22.42j - Latent Fingerprints25
    22.42k - Fraudulent Documents26
    22.42l - Currency26
    22.5 - Disposition of Property27
    22.51 - Non-evidence27
    22.52 - Evidence27
    22.53 - Disposal of Unclaimed Property27
    23.01 - Authority27
    23.04 - Responsibility27
    23.1 - Livestock Investigations28
    23.11 - Violations28
    23.11a - Excess Livestock28
    23.11b - Unauthorized Livestock29
    23.12 - Livestock Removal29
    23.12a - Action on Waived Lands30
    23.13 - Criminal Action30
    23.14 - Livestock Impoundment and Disposal30
    23.14a - Notification of Intent to Impound30
    23.14b - Impounding or Holding Livestock32
    23.2 - Occupancy and Use Investigations35
    23.21 - Violations35
    23.22 - Actions to Stop Illegal Occupancy36
    23.22a - Occupancy Under Claim of Right or Title36
    23.23 - Removal of Unauthorized Structures Considered To Be Real Estate36
    23.3 - Timber Investigations37
    23.31 - Objectives37
    23.32 - Prevention38
    23.33 - Violations39
    23.34 - Private Land Violations Extending Onto National Forest System Land40
    23.35 - Investigation Procedures41
    23.36 - Timber Cutting on Unpatented Mining Claims42
    23.37 - Seizure of Timber Cut in Violation42
    23.37a - Seizure of Manufactured Timber Products42
    23.37b - Seizure of Timber of Mixed Ownership43
    23.37c - Posting of Seized Timber Violation Material43
    23.37d - Sale of Seized Timber Violation Material43
    23.37e - Criminal Liability43
    23.4 - Wildland Fire Investigations44
    23.41 - Wildland Fire Origin and Cause Determination44
    23.41a - Wildland Fire Reporting Procedures and Origin and Cause Determination Documentation45
    23.42 - Wildland Fire Criminal and Civil Follow-up Investigations45
    23.5 - Archaeological, Paleontological, or Prehistoric Resources Investigations45
    23.51 - Prevention45
    23.52 - Violations45
    23.53 - Investigative Procedures46
    24.1 - Consensual Monitoring Approvals46
    24.11 - Department of Justice Verbal Approval46
    24.12 - Telephone Consensual Monitoring Approval47
    24.13 - Department of Justice Written Approval47
    24.2 - Consensual Monitoring Request Data48
    24.21 - Reasons for Interception48
    24.22 - Offense48
    24.23 - Danger48
    24.24 - Location of Devices49
    24.25 - Location of Interception49
    24.26 - Time49
    24.27 - Names49
    24.28 - Trial Attorney Approval49
    24.29 - Renewals49
    24.3 - Interceptions50
    24.4 - Emergency Consensual Monitoring50
    24.41 - Regional Emergency Request Approvals and Transmittal Requirement50
    24.42 - Washington Office Emergency Request Approvals and Transmittal Requirement51
    24.5 - Video Surveillance - Agency and Judicial Authorization51
    24.6 - Interception of Verbal Communications During Video Surveillance51
    24.61 - Video Surveillance52
    24.62 - All Other Interceptions of Verbal Communications During Video Surveillance52
    25.01 - Authority52
    25.05 - Definitions52
    25.06 - Informant Suitability Considerations53
    25.1 - Informant Files53
    25.11 - Opening Informant File54
    25.12 - Informant Number56
    25.13 - Confidentiality of Informants and Information56
    25.13a - Confidentiality of Informants56
    25.13b - Confidentiality of Information56
    25.14 - Deactivation of Informant57
    25.2 - Guidelines and Instructions to Be Discussed With Informants57
    25.3 - Confidential Sources62
    25.4 - Alternate Contact Officer62
    25.5 - Dissemination of Information62
    25.6 - Informant Participation in Authorized Criminal Activity62
    25.7 - Revealing the True Identity of Informant Under Court Order62
    25.8 - Payments for Information63
    25.81 - Payments to Informants63
    25.82 - Documentation of Payments for Information64
    25.83 - Quick Pay Payment System [RESERVED]65
    25.84 - Payments for Evidence65
    25.84a - Documentation of Payments for Evidence65
    27.04 - Responsibility65
    27.04a - Washington Office, Director of Law Enforcement and Investigations65
    27.04b - Special Agents in Charge66
    27.1 - Security of Undercover Operations66
    27.11 - Guidelines66
    27.2 - Classification of Undercover Operations68
    27.21 - Class 1 Undercover Operations68
    27.22 - Class 2 Undercover Operations69
    27.23 - Class 3 Undercover Operations69
    27.3 - Requests for Undercover Operations70
    27.4 - Undercover Activity in Multi-Agency Investigations71
    27.5 - Consensual Monitoring in Undercover Operations71
    27.6 - Undercover Training for Law Enforcement Personnel72
    28.1 - Reporting Crimes73
    28.2 - General Criminal Investigations73
    28.3 - Internal Investigations74
    28.4 - Non-criminal Investigations76
    28.5 - Incidents Not Meeting Case Management Criteria76
    28.6 - Investigative Work Plan77
    28.7 - Tracking and Reporting Investigations78
    28.8 - Closing Cases78
    28.9 - Records, Storage, and Retention79

  4. #94
    Feb 2012
    Prather CA
    Whites GMT
    3345 times
    Finding GOLD
    Good over Evil, doesn't seem to happen much these day in regards to mining in this state, but it is Damm nice change. Congrats....
    "The most inspiring thing about gold, is not the value, but under magnification, the true beauty of each piece. They are truly like snowflakes that never melt." Oakview2 Fly EAGLE Fly......

  5. #95

    May 2012
    1525 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Mark, if you had not hooked up with the Congressman's aide, where do you think you would be right now? I would like his address again to thank him personally. = Fullpan

  6. #96
    Northern California

    Aug 2007
    Southern California
    XLT, GMT, 6000D Coinmaster
    3462 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    To me that sounds like a splendid idea as it would say thank you And it would let him know that his good deed has been shared with other voters who are miners.

    Another point of interest - in the same general area as Mark's claim there is a fellow who's been working a spot with a backhoe and has been locating some nice gold with each scoop. This fellow decided he wanted to sell the claim and let someone else go at it big time. I do not know the whole story but something took place with the current owner and the potential buyer and the Forest Service got involved. Supposedly the FS went way overboard with their demands befpre for this industrial operation could get underway. The original and still owner is another type who does not intend to let the FS get away with it so, he's contacted some Political types to come out, take a look see, and then they will tell the FS what they think. It will be interesting to see what takes place. I need to follow up on this and contact the current claim owner to hear his side of the story and will get back once I've got some good info.......63bkpkr
    Out searching w/GMT & friend under my arm

  7. #97
    Mar 2003
    6471 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    There are hundreds of the insane confrontations every year but finding someone with the testiculiar fortitude to stand up and fight is indeed rare. New manual as of 11/11 so have much to read at night now to see what illegal actions the pisfers think they can promulgate with a new manual Happens every time as their lawyers digest and puke out their own sic sic interpertations of law to their own benefit,and our demise. I prefer to hold my breate till the equipment is back---missing stuff replaced--check cashed--then I'll relax a bit more BUT Marks op will definately be under the ol'microscope and constantly monitored and the story continues. Much appreciation Mark and nuttn' but RESPECT-John...Your Pops is a lookn' down and a smiln' at ya bud...and he's darn proud I'll bet!!!
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  8. #98
    Dec 2010
    1436 times
    Makes me wonder whats going on now
    Have not heard back from the patrol captian as to where or when to pick up my equipment.



  9. #99

    May 2005
    St. Louis, missouri
    4085 times
    if it were me, id gothere with paperwork in hand and a means to haul it and with a witness come for my stuff! and if theres any runaround, id call the police to expidite it all while documenting it just incase!
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  10. #100
    Mar 2003
    6471 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    Waitn' with great anticipation and angst.........wish it were that easy Russau but channels must be followed and local sheriffs helo hauled off the equipment in the first place so going to them pretty much a waste a time ...demands don' think so,just a waitn' game now-bummer-John

  11. #101
    Dec 2010
    1436 times
    And yet the run around continues.........as now the patrol captian states Tom Madrigal is the only one authorized to release the equipment to me.....and Tom Madrigal is in Oregon on training. Needless to say the congressmans aid is a little pissed off. He gave them 24hrs to get a release date.

    But that does confirm the one!!!
    Last edited by Hefty1; Jun 11, 2012 at 11:02 PM.

  12. #102
    Apr 2010
    9 times
    Just who works for who anymore? It's evident there's a majority of government employees who feel they are not responsible to the taxpayer for anything. We certainly know they don't go out of their way to help anybody. Maybe we should fight for some legislation that we may have some say as to who is hired and who is fired. Just thinking out loud.

  13. #103
    Dec 2010
    1436 times
    Well it is confirmed.....I get to pick up my equipment Thursday morning 9:30.....
    without Tom Madrigal.
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  14. #104

    May 2005
    St. Louis, missouri
    4085 times
    i wish i was ava. to help you get your equipment!but im in the middle of the Country. im glad you finnaly are getting your equipment back!i hope you do some sort of follow up on this abuse of power they showed!

  15. #105
    Mar 2003
    6471 times
    All Types Of Treasure Hunting
    LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YES--need any help/truck/or a old fart with a weak mind? I'd happily drive that few hundred miles to see that anyday-even in this 100+ heat.. God I hope this works and now for the casha $20-30,000 should be just about the right compensation. Mark I absolutely cannot thank you enough for the inclusion to this drama/legal hassle/ungodly mess. This game has just begun and the dance will continue but this thursday the sun will rise and it will be good-tons a au 2 u 2-John


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