VOTE NO TO FROGS & TOADS LISTING

[Hefty1]

VOTE NO TO FROGS & TOADS LISTING​

The following frogs & toads commentary submissions highlight a significant issue. As I'm discovering, the agencies do two things with comments.


1. They respond to substantive commentary.


2. Substantive or not, they tally all commentary as being FOR and AGAINST the proposed listing, then report this tally as "public input". Here's the deception. The tally does not differentiate between those that live in the affected area, the state, or even in the USA. Nor does it differentiate between custom written commentary vs. form commentary. In other words, everybody anywhere gets to vote, and equal weight is given to a one-click response from someone who never set foot in the affected area, county, state, or even country as is given to thoughtful commentary made by the people who actually live and work there. This is a direct assault on representative government.

The submissions listed below―for just October 17―clearly indicate the "ballot box" is being stuffed with form commentaries in favor of the listing. Here is an example. This is a strategy pursued by the Sierra Club, among others, to send out alerts that allow members to submit form commentary with a simple click.


I don't have a one-click button for you, but I do have the next best thing. Copy and paste the following commentary, modified if you want, into the comment box.


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I DO NOT SUPPORT the USFWS proposal to list as endangered species the Sierra Nevada Yellow-Legged Frog, all populations of Mountain Yellow-Legged Frogs that occur north of the Tehachapi Mountains, and the Yosemite Toad.




The science clearly shows the danger to the frogs and toads comes primarily from a virus that kills frogs and toads even in pristine wilderness areas devoid of humans and human activities. So-called "habitat restoration," i.e., the expulsion of people and their recreational and commercial uses of these forests will not restore the frog and toad mutations. The proposed listing will not solve the problem, but will devastate the recreational enjoyment of our public lands, as well as the economic prosperity of the families, communities, and counties that actually live on, work on, and care for these lands.


Real solutions are already being explored by scientific and state actions, and do not require federal intervention. Furthermore, the federal government has not established it has jurisdiction over the proposed designated habitat, which belong to the People of the State of California, and I therefore challenge the federal government's jurisdiction in this matter. Jurisdiction once challenged cannot be assumed, it must be proven.


NO THANKS to the USFWS for entering into secret settlement agreements with the Center For Biological Diversity and pursing a course of action that is so destructive to all concerned, including the frogs and toads.


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Begin forwarded message:

From: [email protected]

Date: October 18, 2013 4:50:03 AM PDT

To: [email protected]

Subject: Regulations.gov [ Your scheduled notification: ]


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[Hefty1]

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[Doitlaynstyle]

Wow, So this is how they are going to "lose" all of our comments...

 

[Oakview2]

More than likely, the Sierra Fund will flood it with votes,e and then the agency will shut it down, skewing the results. A dirty bunch indeed.

 

[Fullpan]

Wow, So this is how they are going to "lose" all of our comments...

I wasn't involved way back in 2007 -2009 when the comments were solicited for the gigantic EIR concerning dredging, but heard that "the agencies" lost
a bunch of pro-dredging input from miners. Maybe someone can jump in on that fiasco. Regardless, it seems like a winning strategy to "lose" opposition
input. Or maybe it is just typical bungling by the beaurorats like Health care website - who knows ?

 

[kuger]

I wasn't involved way back in 2007 -2009 when the comments were solicited for the gigantic EIR concerning dredging, but heard that "the agencies" lost
a bunch of pro-dredging input from miners. Maybe someone can jump in on that fiasco. Regardless, it seems like a winning strategy to "lose" opposition
input. Or maybe it is just typical bungling by the beaurorats like Health care website - who knows ?

Yes they did,and cancelled Town Hall meetings hours before as well.We traveled over 4 hours to one,and had rooms and all......its all criminal that they get away with it,but they are the ones with the hand under the table....and it isnt just full of cash....

 

[Mad Machinist]

Apparently the fish eat the frogs.

Something has changed, otherwise it would have happened 150 years ago.

Part of the problem in this is when people like you, that have NO idea of ecosystems evolve, adapt, or work, decide that you are an expert and believe that "OBVIOUSLY" it had to be mining, logging, OHV use, etc. that caused this problem. If these frogs evolved in an ecosystem with the native trout there, it is quite obvious that either the trout DID NOT prey on them or the trout DID NOT prey upon them in significant enough numbers to make any difference. But the introduction of a non-native trout predator (introduced by the Sierra Club, by the way) and you get utter havoc.

But YOU have quite OBVIOUSLY fallen into the belief that a trout is a trout, like the eco's wanted you too, and now believe that ALL trout prey on frogs.

Disinformation intended to confuse at best and fool the gullible at worst.

But don't feel bad, Bum Luck, most "environmentalists" have no idea how an ecosystem evolves, adapts, or works either. They simply use a lot of big words to make themselves look smart so people will believe them.

 

[Hefty1]

Still Down...

 

[bedrock bubba]

But I like the little toads and froggies!They are cute and cuddly! Except, when they pee on my hand!

Its the eco-nazis that we need to get rid of!

 

[Aufisher]

It never ceases to amaze me that some intelligent individuals even on this board are fooled by bogus science. Please see through the propaganda and make educated decisions for yourself.

 

[Hefty1]

Now working! Go get em guys!

 

[Mad Machinist]

Yes they did,and cancelled Town Hall meetings hours before as well.We traveled over 4 hours to one,and had rooms and all......its all criminal that they get away with it,but they are the ones with the hand under the table....and it isnt just full of cash....

Typical. If the rules don't support what you want, change them until they do. And do everything you can to make it as easy as possible for dissenting opinions to be suppressed.

You would love one of my Professors. He has a higher opinion of whale spit than he does of "environmentalists". As he says, "At least whale spit is useful as fertilizer".

 

[Fullpan]

Can't help myself - one more time for Penn and Teller "banning water".

 

[Hefty1]

Maybe not....all i get is this now...

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[63bkpkr]

12:50 PM 08Nov2013 It's Working!....................63bkpkr

 

[Doitlaynstyle]

+10 for me

 

[fowledup]

Fullpan- LMAO, That's priceless and "Oh so enviro" I would love to try that on a few of our university campuses and a gang green get together or two. Love it- Dihydrogenmonoxide, can't stop laughing! I am seriously considering setting up a table at the local farmers market. I would love to get a couple of our local enviro celebrities signing on film. That would make my year.

 

[Hefty1]

9:07 P M CAL, TIME DOWN AGAIN!

 

[Fullpan]

A bit of good news on Endangered Species Act activity:

Capital Press | Grizzly panel says Yellowstone bears recovered

And some more "business as usual":

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