VOTE NO TO FROGS & TOADS LISTING

[Hefty1]

VOTE NO TO FROGS & TOADS LISTING​

The following frogs & toads commentary submissions highlight a significant issue. As I'm discovering, the agencies do two things with comments.


1. They respond to substantive commentary.


2. Substantive or not, they tally all commentary as being FOR and AGAINST the proposed listing, then report this tally as "public input". Here's the deception. The tally does not differentiate between those that live in the affected area, the state, or even in the USA. Nor does it differentiate between custom written commentary vs. form commentary. In other words, everybody anywhere gets to vote, and equal weight is given to a one-click response from someone who never set foot in the affected area, county, state, or even country as is given to thoughtful commentary made by the people who actually live and work there. This is a direct assault on representative government.

The submissions listed below―for just October 17―clearly indicate the "ballot box" is being stuffed with form commentaries in favor of the listing. Here is an example. This is a strategy pursued by the Sierra Club, among others, to send out alerts that allow members to submit form commentary with a simple click.


I don't have a one-click button for you, but I do have the next best thing. Copy and paste the following commentary, modified if you want, into the comment box.


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I DO NOT SUPPORT the USFWS proposal to list as endangered species the Sierra Nevada Yellow-Legged Frog, all populations of Mountain Yellow-Legged Frogs that occur north of the Tehachapi Mountains, and the Yosemite Toad.




The science clearly shows the danger to the frogs and toads comes primarily from a virus that kills frogs and toads even in pristine wilderness areas devoid of humans and human activities. So-called "habitat restoration," i.e., the expulsion of people and their recreational and commercial uses of these forests will not restore the frog and toad mutations. The proposed listing will not solve the problem, but will devastate the recreational enjoyment of our public lands, as well as the economic prosperity of the families, communities, and counties that actually live on, work on, and care for these lands.


Real solutions are already being explored by scientific and state actions, and do not require federal intervention. Furthermore, the federal government has not established it has jurisdiction over the proposed designated habitat, which belong to the People of the State of California, and I therefore challenge the federal government's jurisdiction in this matter. Jurisdiction once challenged cannot be assumed, it must be proven.


NO THANKS to the USFWS for entering into secret settlement agreements with the Center For Biological Diversity and pursing a course of action that is so destructive to all concerned, including the frogs and toads.


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Begin forwarded message:

From: [email protected]

Date: October 18, 2013 4:50:03 AM PDT

To: [email protected]

Subject: Regulations.gov [ Your scheduled notification: ]


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[Hefty1]

Done! Very simple to do...
Get busy guys!

 

[Hefty1]

Pass this on to all internet sites possible!

 

[goldhog]

Done...

 

[timberjack]

Who else is trying to make a diffrance and protect our freedoms. Talk is for losers and fools! Get involved!

 

[jog]

Did it!

 

[Goldwasher]

Done

 

[63bkpkr]

Done did do'od it!

 

[sidvail]

Done! Thanks for making this possible Hefty1

 

[Dak]

check

 

[theseeker]

Hefty, thanks for putting this front and center again! I had submitted comments on this a few months back and have done it again. The link you provided, allows us to counter the ballot box stuffing by the enviros. I have submitted the comment for myself, my family members and lots of friends that have given me permission to submit in their stead. We need to get the hunting and fishing community involved in this I am sure they don't want 2 million acres of public land shut down either. I will post this to as many sites as I can. Thanks again for your vigilance and efforts. Best Regards !

 

[Hefty1]

Thanks All!
I will make this a little easier to get to vote...

Click on comment box...or link.
Regulations.gov

I don't have a one-click button for you, but I do have the next best thing. Copy and paste the following commentary, modified if you want, into the comment box.


***


I DO NOT SUPPORT the USFWS proposal to list as endangered species the Sierra Nevada Yellow-Legged Frog, all populations of Mountain Yellow-Legged Frogs that occur north of the Tehachapi Mountains, and the Yosemite Toad.


The science clearly shows the danger to the frogs and toads comes primarily from a virus that kills frogs and toads even in pristine wilderness areas devoid of humans and human activities. So-called "habitat restoration," i.e., the expulsion of people and their recreational and commercial uses of these forests will not restore the frog and toad mutations. The proposed listing will not solve the problem, but will devastate the recreational enjoyment of our public lands, as well as the economic prosperity of the families, communities, and counties that actually live on, work on, and care for these lands.


Real solutions are already being explored by scientific and state actions, and do not require federal intervention. Furthermore, the federal government has not established it has jurisdiction over the proposed designated habitat, which belong to the People of the State of California, and I therefore challenge the federal government's jurisdiction in this matter. Jurisdiction once challenged cannot be assumed, it must be proven.


NO THANKS to the USFWS for entering into secret settlement agreements with the Center For Biological Diversity and pursing a course of action that is so destructive to all concerned, including the frogs and toads.


***

 

[Oakview2]

 

[Hefty1]

I just want to update...
So far 1248 votes...dont know how many for or against.

But the last 3 days... if I counted right...

230 votes... 9 for support... 221 against it.

This is just one way to fight back against USFWS and the Center For Biological Diversity and for pursing a course of action that is so destructive to all concerned.

Thanks for all that have voted...BUT! It is not enough yet...WE NEED MORE VOTES!
We need to overwhelm them with "WE DO NOT SUPPORT" votes. And to let this part of the government know that WE will not put up with this BS.
Get everybody, family, friends, put this on all websites you belong to, Facebook, Tweeter whatever is out there.
This will continue if we dont stop this! Let our voice be heard! Or we will lose all our "PUBLIC LANDS"

Thanks in advance

 

[jog]

Did it again!!!!!

 

[Clay Diggins]

Unfortunately the number of comments doesn't mean anything in the process. What they mean by substantive is that your comment is directed to an actionable law, regulation or "stakeholder" interest. Multiple comments that amount to the same point, whether substantive or not, are all counted as one.

This is not a democratic process nor was it ever intended to be. If one side copies and pastes the same comment and the opposite side copies and pastes the another comment there will be exactly two comments considered - no matter how many times they are submitted.

The substantive comments do not equal one another. They do not zero out or win by greater numbers.

If one person raises a point of law it must be considered once - no matter how many times it is submitted. If another person raises a substantive comment about how the proposed rules affect them directly that single comment is considered - no matter how many times it is submitted. If you offer your opinion or point of view it will not be considered because what you think is not substantive - only laws, regulations and direct personal interest are substantive. That is what is meant by "substantive"

All comments are counted for the final count but that count means nothing to the outcome - it's not a vote.

If you can make a comment about how the proposal violates a law or how it will conflict with an existing regulation or how it will directly affect your income or property values you will have an influence on the outcome. Otherwise you are just *issing in the wind.

 

[Fullpan]

thanks clay - this should have been pointed out to us a looonng time ago, but never too late.

 

[Hefty1]

The following frogs & toads commentary submissions highlight a significant issue. As I'm discovering, the agencies do two things with comments.


1. They respond to substantive commentary.


2. Substantive or not, they tally all commentary as being FOR and AGAINST the proposed listing, then report this tally as "public input". Here's the deception. The tally does not differentiate between those that live in the affected area, the state, or even in the USA. Nor does it differentiate between custom written commentary vs. form commentary. In other words, everybody anywhere gets to vote, and equal weight is given to a one-click response from someone who never set foot in the affected area, county, state, or even country as is given to thoughtful commentary made by the people who actually live and work there. This is a direct assault on representative government.

The submissions listed below―for just October 17―clearly indicate the "ballot box" is being stuffed with form commentaries in favor of the listing. Here is an example. This is a strategy pursued by the Sierra Club, among others, to send out alerts that allow members to submit form commentary with a simple click.

 

[Hefty1]

http://www.regulations.gov/docs/FactSheet_Public_Comments_Make_a_Difference.pdf

 

[goldhog]

Watch what happens today....