More on Mercury Scams

[Hoser John]

State Water Board is all in and now dredging is a GREEN industry,always been but now permits and scams abound-Mercury yet again

by Hoser John » Fri Jan 30, 2015 8:40 am
More costly stupidity in kalif,
This is a message from the State Water Resources Control Board.
To All Interested Parties:



State and Regional Water Board staff is developing a statewide water quality control program for mercury (Statewide Mercury Program) that will include mercury water quality objectives and a mercury control program for reservoirs. This message provides an update on the progress of the Statewide Mercury Program by describing outreach and development efforts during the past year and next steps. Blue underlined text indicates links to new information added to the Statewide Mercury Program website.



Events during the past year included:

· Stakeholder focus group meetings. The purpose of the outreach and focus group meetings was to obtain early stakeholder input about options for water quality objectives and implementation actions. Stakeholder meetings held between February and October 2014 included:

o Reservoir owners and operators

o Environment and environmental justice advocates

o Municipal and industrial wastewater and storm water agencies

o State and federal land managers

o Public health agencies

o Local stakeholders

· Meetings with Tribes. Water Board staff met with Tribes to obtain their input in July 2014. In addition, staff presented at the Tribal EPA conference in October 2014.

· Tribes Fish Use Study. Dr. Fraser Shilling, a University of California, Davis, researcher funded by the State Water Board and USEPA, completed the Tribes Fish Use Study. Dr. Shilling presented study results to members of the State Board in September 2014.

· Reservoir focus group meetings. Water Board staff met with reservoir owners and operators in March, May, and September 2014, and January 2015, to develop selection criteria for reservoir water chemistry studies and pilot tests. The most recent meeting included a guest speaker, Professor Alex Horne, from the University of California, Berkeley. Dr. Horne’s presentation provided an overview of in-reservoir dissolved oxygen and mercury management options.

· Conference presentations. Water Board staff made presentations to several groups to provide a review of mercury cycling and bioaccumulation processes in reservoirs and potential source control and reservoir management strategies to reduce fish mercury levels, including:

o California Lake Management Society (October 2014). Half of this conference was devoted to mercury cycling and management in reservoirs.

o Delta Tributaries Mercury Council (August 2014)

o California-Nevada American Fisheries Society conference (March 2014)



Next steps include:

· Continue reservoir focus group meetings to develop criteria for selecting pilot projects;

· Prepare draft staff reports to submit to scientific peer review and make draft staff reports available on the Water Board website for informal public review;

· Prepare documents for formal public review; and

· Hold public workshops.



Water Board staff will continue to provide informational updates to the public through emails and the Statewide Mercury Program website. For more information, please email: [email protected]



Thank you for your interest in this project.

 

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[goldenIrishman]

Well GW... All those grubberment agencies have to do SOMETHING to justify their paychecks don't they? I think they have a big wheel with all these different things listed on it and they give it a spin every once in a while to see which scare they're going to start up. Remember when eggs were supposed to be so bad for you? Then after a few years, low and behold they're suddenly alright again? Dealt the poultry industry a big blow for nothing.

Also look at groups like the FDA. Here they're supposed to protect us from bad drugs and food and yet they approve these things that have a longer list of side effects than what they're supposed to treat. Then several years down the road they issue a recall on them to get them off the market. If they had really been doing their job in the first place they never would have been on the market to start with. Yes... your tax dollars at work!

 

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[fowledup]

Where the ...F do they keep coming up with these harms hazards and negative affects....?? I would understand concern and investigation in the face of mass poisoning and illness, but, we all know it isn't happening. How do they push this issue without cause and instance it drives me crazy

FEAR = FUNDING

Third world countries are very successful using natural remediation methods for waste water treatment and Heavy Metal contamination. Know why they are working for them but not us? Because it has to! They don't have a bottomless pocket of dough to be extorted at will from.

 

[Hefty1]

Where the ...F do they keep coming up with these harms hazards and negative affects....?? I would understand concern and investigation in the face of mass poisoning and illness, but, we all know it isn't happening. How do they push this issue without cause and instance it drives me crazy

"THE SIERRA FUND"
No the Sky is not falling, but these two use mercury/methyl mercury in the same Idiomatic usage.

Idiomatic usage
The name "Chicken Little" — and the fable's central phrase, The sky is falling! — have been applied to people accused of being unreasonably afraid, or those trying to incite an unreasonable fear in those around them.

The first use of the name "Chicken Little" to "one who warns of or predicts calamity, especially without justification"

Fear mongering (or scaremongering or scare tactics) is the use of fear to influence the opinions and actions of others towards some specific end. The feared object or subject is sometimes exaggerated, and the pattern of fear mongering is usually one of repetition, in order to continuously reinforce the intended effects of this tactic, sometimes in the form of a vicious circle.
From <Fear mongering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia>

Fear mongering — whether justified or not — can sometimes elicit a societal response called Chicken Little syndrome, described as "inferring catastrophic conclusions possibly resulting in paralysis". It has also been defined as "a sense of despair or passivity which blocks the audience from actions". The term began appearing in the 1950s and the phenomenon has been noted in many different societal contexts.

You can read all about this Fear mongering phenomenon at their web site. www.sierrafund.org. Emphases Under projects.

My God, if the Malakoff Diggins is such a extremely harmful place, why is it a State Park? Where hundreds of people visit a year. They camp, fish, and swim at this Park. The Sierra Fund even give tours of this extremely harmful place. Huh! Really?

Mercury this, mercury that, talk, talk, talk, analyze this, analyze that. The same thing over and over and over again.
So what has "The Sierra Fund" actually done about mercury over the years?
Talk, talk, analyze this, analyze that. The same thing over and over and over again.

Now they did this so long that they actually received approx, 7 MILLION DOLLARS of TAXPAYERS Money in the form of grants. To help clean up the Sierras watersheds from this nasty mercury/methyl mercury.
An impossible task! Demand a Refund of Taxpayers Money!

Sources of methyl mercury[edit]
Environmental sources[edit]
In the past, methyl mercury was produced directly and indirectly as part of several industrial processes such as the manufacture of acetaldehyde. Currently there are few anthropogenic sources of methyl mercury pollution other than as an indirect consequence of the burning of wastes containing inorganic mercury and from the burning of fossil fuels, particularly coal. Although inorganic mercury is only a trace constituent of such fuels, their large scale combustion in utility and commercial/industrial boilers in the United States alone results in release of some 80.2 tons (73 tonnes) of elemental mercury to the atmosphere each year, out of total anthropogenic mercury emissions in the United States of 158 tons (144 tonnes)/year.[4]

Natural sources of mercury to the atmosphere include volcanoes, forest fires, volatization from the ocean [5] and weathering of mercury-bearing rocks.[6]

Methyl mercury is formed from inorganic mercury by the action of anaerobic organisms that live in aquatic systems including lakes, rivers, wetlands, sediments, soils and the open ocean.[7] This methylation process converts inorganic mercury to methyl mercury in the natural environment. Acute methyl mercury poisoning occurred at Grassy Narrows in Ontario, Canada (see Ontario Minamata disease) as a result of mercury released from the mercury-cell Chloralkali process, which uses liquid mercury as an electrode in a process that entails electrolytic decomposition of brine, followed by mercury methylation in the aquatic environment.
An acute methyl mercury poisoning tragedy occurred in Minamata, Japan following release of methyl mercury into Minamata Bay and its tributaries (see Minamata disease). In the Ontario case, inorganic mercury discharged into the environment was methylated in the environment; whereas in Minamata, Japan, there was direct industrial discharge of methyl mercury.
Dietary sources[edit]
Because methyl mercury is formed in aquatic systems and because it is not readily eliminated from organisms it is biomagnified in aquatic food chains from bacteria, to plankton, through macroinvertebrates, to herbivorous fish and to piscivorous (fish-eating) fish.[8] At each step in the food chain, the concentration of methyl mercury in the organism increases. The concentration of methyl mercury in the top level aquatic predators can reach a level a million times higher than the level in the water.[8] This is because methyl mercury has a half-life of about 72 days in aquatic organisms resulting in its bioaccumulation within these food chains. Organisms, including humans,[9] fish-eating birds, and fish-eating mammals such as otters and whales that consume fish from the top of the aquatic food chain receive the methyl mercury that has accumulated through this process.[8] Fish and other aquatic species are the only significant source of human methyl mercury exposure.[8]
The concentration of mercury in any given fish depends on the species of fish, the age and size of the fish and the type of water body in which it is found.[8] In general, fish-eating fish such as shark, swordfish, marlin, larger species of tuna, walleye, largemouth bass, and northern pike, have higher levels of methyl mercury than herbivorous fish or smaller fish such as tilapia and herring.[10][11] Within a given species of fish, older and larger fish have higher levels of methyl mercury than smaller fish. Fish that develop in water bodies that are more acidic also tend to have higher levels of methyl mercury

From <Methylmercury - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia>


Now as you read all about this Fear mongering phenomenon of mercury at their web site. www.sierrafund.org. Emphases Under projects.
Do you see the word "Selenium" used anywhere on their website? Of coarse not! The "Chicken Little Syndrome", "Fear Mongering phenomenon" would not work if they would explain how "Selenium" works in fish and water.

 

[Hefty1]

Well lets see Why the "Chicken Little's" of the Sierra don’t mention "SELENIUM"



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TAKE YOUR PICK OF INFORMATION…
Interaction between selenium and methylmercury.
Interaction between selenium and methylmercury.

Aquatic Life Criterion - Selenium
Aquatic Life Criterion - Selenium | Selenium | US EPA
http://water.epa.gov/scitech/swguid.../aqlife/selenium/upload/seleniumdraft2014.pdf 3.5 emp, added
Selenium detoxifies the body of toxic mercury and reverses aging
Selenium detoxifies the body of toxic mercury and reverses aging - NaturalNews.com

Mercury Bioaccumulation and Toxicity are Inversely Related to Selenium
http://dec.alaska.gov/eh/docs/mercury/HgBioaccumulationRelatedSelenium.pdf

WATER: Statewide survey maps sport fish contamination in California rivers and streams
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/t/4056170433413998184
Selenium reduces toxic mercury levels in freshwater fish.
Selenium reduces toxic mercury levels in freshwater fish. ? Environmental Health News
Selenium and Mercury Detoxification
Positive Health Online | Article - Selenium and Mercury Detoxification
Selenium Helps Remove Mercury from the Body
Selenium Helps Remove Mercury from the Body - NaturalNews.com

Can Two Wrongs Make a Right? Mercury and Selenium in Fish
Can Two Wrongs Make a Right? Mercury and Selenium in Fish

Is eating fish safe? A lot safer than not eating fish!
Is eating fish safe? A lot safer than not eating fish!

Mercury and Selenium in Marine Fish - the Last 35 Years
Mercury and Selenium in Marine Fish

http://www.undeerc.org/fish/pdfs/Selenium-Mercury.pdf

Mercury in Seafood, Selenium: Mercury Neutralizer
From <Mercury in Seafood | Blue Water Fishermen's Association>


http://pubs.usgs.gov/sir/2007/5019/pdf/sir2007-5019_508.pdf

Selenium Bioaccumulation in Freshwater Organisms and Antagonistic Effect against Mercury Assimilation - ResearchGate




AT THE SIERRA FUNDS NEXT MEETING…ASK THEM ABOUT "SELENIUM" AND KEEP ASKING TILL YOU GET THE REAL ANSWER!

 

[Mad Machinist]

Hefty1.

Now your getting the idea. Fight junk science with real science. I've been preaching this for years.

 

[fowledup]

Hefty1- Love you man, in a "da bears" kinda way!

 

[rodoconnor]

Good post Hefty. In Central Kal ,there is an area of would-be farmland that is so intensified with selenium that hardly anything will grow there. They figured out that radishes will extract selenium from the soil. I guess the damn things are good for something after all.

 

[goldenIrishman]

What we as responsible miners have to impress on the general public is that a scientific truth is the same for everyone. It doesn't matter if it doesn't happen to align with what ever agenda you are trying to promote, it is STILL a truth. The other side has been playing fast and loose with the truth for a long time now and the general public needs to know this so they can call these groups out and demand justice.

That these groups just happen to forget to include some of these facts is in truth lying by omission. Much like Dr. Alpers "forgetting" to include five or so years of data in his now infamous report. Had that data been included, the report wouldn't have shown the results that the Sierra Fund wanted it to and thus it wouldn't have supported their agenda. This is a prime example of the now famous "bought science". That this type of "science" was used to form policy can only go to show that this policy must also be flawed. Two wrongs do not make a right as they say.

We need to do everything we can to get the public to open their eyes and see the truth. For years it's been one scare after another as these various groups play at "Chicken Little". This has got to stop for the good of all and we as miners are currently in a position to get the ball rolling. We may not be able to attest to the safeness of eggs or prescription drugs, but Mercury is one thing we do know about.

 

[2cmorau]

now i hear the train a rollin,
Hefty come loaded for bear,

 

[Mad Machinist]

Another victim of the Mercury scare. Can't tell you how many gallons of this wonderful stuff has been poured on me as a kid and working most of my life in construction. Because of my job I have annual exposure testing for Asbestos and Lead. I've also had my blood checked for Mercury to establish base lines before project starts- I've never had a positive test. Guess Chlorella, Spirulina, and Selenium actually work after all!

Mercurochrome[edit],
Mercurochrome is a trade name of merbromin. The name is also commonly used for over-the-counter antiseptic solutions consisting of merbromin (typically at 2% concentration) dissolved in either ethyl alcohol (tincture) or water (aqueous).

Its antiseptic qualities were discovered by Hugh H. Young in 1918, while working at Johns Hopkins Hospital as a physician.[5] The chemical soon became popular among parents and physicians for everyday antiseptic uses, and it was commonly used for minor injuries in the schoolyard.

The United States Food and Drug Administration (FDA) moved it from the “generally recognized as safe” classification into the “untested” classification to effectively halt its distribution in the United States on October 19, 1998 over fears of potential mercury poisoning.[1] Sales were halted in Germany in 2003,[2] and in France in 2006.[3] It is readily available in most other countries.[citation needed]

That stuff brings back memories. Burned like hell. I pretty much bathed in the stuff growing up as a kid. If I didn't get mercury poisoning from the stuff then it isn't possible.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Good post Hefty. In Central Kal ,there is an area of would-be farmland that is so intensified with selenium that hardly anything will grow there. They figured out that radishes will extract selenium from the soil. I guess the damn things are good for something after all.

You mean this one? Kesterson Reservoir - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Mad Machinist]

What we as responsible miners have to impress on the general public is that a scientific truth is the same for everyone. It doesn't matter if it doesn't happen to align with what ever agenda you are trying to promote, it is STILL a truth. The other side has been playing fast and loose with the truth for a long time now and the general public needs to know this so they can call these groups out and demand justice.

That these groups just happen to forget to include some of these facts is in truth lying by omission. Much like Dr. Alpers "forgetting" to include five or so years of data in his now infamous report. Had that data been included, the report wouldn't have shown the results that the Sierra Fund wanted it to and thus it wouldn't have supported their agenda. This is a prime example of the now famous "bought science". That this type of "science" was used to form policy can only go to show that this policy must also be flawed. Two wrongs do not make a right as they say.

We need to do everything we can to get the public to open their eyes and see the truth. For years it's been one scare after another as these various groups play at "Chicken Little". This has got to stop for the good of all and we as miners are currently in a position to get the ball rolling. We may not be able to attest to the safeness of eggs or prescription drugs, but Mercury is one thing we do know about.

Already being done in other areas, like climate change, aka "global warming". The last few winters have opened more than a few eyes and climate change now ranks at the bottom of almost all opinion polls.

Just be careful with how hard you push. Right now a little nudge here and a little push there with set things back in the right path. If you try and pound too many of the real facts into people's heads right now, it will just turn them off due to the whole chicken little thing on climate change.

The winds of change will hit gale force here soon enough. This is why your seeing the calls for mass hypnosis and members of other eco orgs calling for wholesale murder, by beheading, of those who don't agree with them.

Like I said, little nudges and pushes by a lot of people here and there will work wonders before you know it.

 

[goldenIrishman]

True Mad. People don't like the Chicken Little approach and it will not do us any good to do the exact same thing that the alarmists have been doing. When it comes to light that they've been lying about this or that, I do post that information to my facebook page to help get the word out. More than once I've had those posts shared by others on their pages. So the word is spreading out to many that have nothing to do with mining. Many of them are into fishing. camping and hiking though which I feel is a good thing because it gets the word out to other users of public lands. The more we can get other users in on this the better.