claim broker shysters

[fowledup]

Every so often I check Craigslist and Ebay to make sure I don't see familiar pictures of claims for sale that I know for certain aren't. My lord if you want to see whose honest and whose not, now is a good time. Take a look and check out the lead in's to their sales pitches - "Dredgings legal", "the bans over", "dredging opens this June", "start mining immediately everything transferable" and my personal favorite "never been mined". People got no scrupples, fricken crooks!

 

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[fowledup]

Jeff of PA, or Treasure Hunter this thread has turned towards the absurd and no longer offers solid information of any real value. I worry that it will be incorrectly used as a reference source and could potentially get someone into some real legal troubles. I don't want to see this forums credibility tarnished, as the original poster I would like to request that you delete my thread.

 

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[chlsbrns]

Jeff of PA, or Treasure Hunter this thread has turned towards the absurd and no longer offers solid information of any real value. I worry that it will be incorrectly used as a reference source and could potentially get someone into some real legal troubles. I don't want to see this forums credibility tarnished, as the original poster I would like to request that you delete my thread.

What? Prove that any of my posts are not fact!

Sparks started flying when a quote was posted that made the absurd statement:

"It's long established law that making a claim for the sole purpose of reselling it creates a void claim with no rights"

When such absurd statements are made as if they are fact someone should set the record straight!

There are other absurd statements that I proved absurd. You and others "Like" the absurd posts making it even more important that someone posts verifiable info to set the record straight.

I have posted nothing but verifiable facts. Most of the facts that I have posted included links and/or screenshots to the facts.

Prove me wrong!

 

[goldenIrishman]

GI we have a lot in common. The same friend helps us both and you are invited for pie with us at the best pie place around. Will be mid March and my treat.

Long as they have a good blackberry you've got a deal!

 

[goldenIrishman]

Jeff of PA, or Treasure Hunter this thread has turned towards the absurd and no longer offers solid information of any real value. I worry that it will be incorrectly used as a reference source and could potentially get someone into some real legal troubles. I don't want to see this forums credibility tarnished, as the original poster I would like to request that you delete my thread.

It's been moved and seconded (By likes) that this thread be removed from T-Net due to the inaccurate information people are expounding that could cause others to get into trouble with the law. All in favor??

 

[Alex Burke]

Placer Examination (wells) is where I quoted from in my last post.

"I. DESCRIPTION OF SAMPLES
A mining claim may be validly located and held only after the discovery of a valuable mineral deposit. When it becomes necessary to determine the validity of a claim and the sufficiency of discovery is in doubt, the Government will initiate contest proceedings during which the testimony is given by parties to the conlest and their witnesses. During such proceedings, assay certificates or other sample data are submitted as evidence of value, or lack of value. The sample and assay data are important in that the hearings examiner or the court must rely on them to a large extent to determine if a
valid discovery has been made."

If/when we head west next winter we will not file claims. We will go right to heavy gold deposits shown in USGS files and extract the valuable mineral deposit. If we happen to be on someones claim due to not seeing or not having their required corner and discovery monuments and the claim owner shows up we can and will dispute the validity of their claim...

The Government will then initiate contest proceedings during which the testimony is given by parties to the conlest and their witnesses. During such proceedings, assay certificates or other sample data are submitted as evidence of value, or lack of value. The sample and assay data are important in that the hearings examiner or the court must rely on them to a large extent to determine if a valid discovery has been made."

http://www.treasurenet.com/forums/gold-prospecting/453731-claim-broker-shysters-6.html#post4866232

Wow the lasts two paragraphs just blow my mind. I almost agree that the thread should be locked now that you have revealed this sinister plan as we don't want people thinking that this is morally acceptable in any way shape or form. I like how you derailed the thread hinted at more regulation might occur if we discuss the issue then go on to reveal the shystiest plan I've ever heard.

I'm interested in hearing more about how you can reconcile this as being ethical in any way. I can only interpret from this thread you have little respect for small scale miners/hobby miners, their communities and the honorable history behind small scale mining. Why even reveal your idea to take these people to court and take their claim through your unscrupulous methods. Correct me if I'm misinterpreting your statements.

 

[bobw53]

Did you think that any of the others would say it? They don't deal with verifiable facts.

I wanted to hear you say it.

 

[goldenIrishman]

I agree Alex. I don't know about you but that sounds like planned mineral trespass to me. In my mind it strongly sounds like they're encouraging illegal activities which if I remember right is against the forum rules.

We can only hope that they give it a try and get caught. Being hauled off to jail may be the only way to get through to them.

 

[fowledup]

Wow the lasts two paragraphs just blow my mind. I almost agree that the thread should be locked now that you have revealed this sinister plan as we don't want people thinking that this is morally acceptable in any way shape or form. I like how you derailed the thread hinted at more regulation might occur if we discuss the issue then go on to reveal the shystiest plan I've ever heard.

I'm interested in hearing more about how you can reconcile this as being ethical in any way. I can only interpret from this thread you have little respect for small scale miners/hobby miners, their communities and the honorable history behind small scale mining. Why even reveal your idea to take these people to court and take their claim through your unscrupulous methods. Correct me if I'm misinterpreting your statements.

No Alex it needs to be deleted, I would hate to see someone doing a search on the internet and take this garbage for gospel and act on it. Tell ya what, the next thread can be on highgrading. I'm thinking from the looks of it this person is as equally versed in unlawful mining technics as they are in mining law...........................

Chsbrns "If/when we head west next winter we will not file claims. We will go right to heavy gold deposits shown in USGS files and extract the valuable mineral deposit. If we happen to be on someones claim due to not seeing or not having their required corner and discovery monuments and the claim owner shows up we can and will dispute the validity of their claim..."

 

[Nitric]

So I've been way over thinking this stuff? All I need to do on a weekend trip, is drive west, take out a heavy deposit and drive home rich?!! Sounds simple enough!Does USGS have an X where you need to dig?

 

[DizzyDigger]

If/when we head west next winter we will not file claims. We will go right to heavy gold deposits shown in USGS files and extract the valuable mineral deposit. If we happen to be on someones claim due to not seeing or not having their required corner and discovery monuments
and the claim owner shows up we can and will dispute the validity of their claim...

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[bobw53]

So I've been way over thinking this stuff? All I need to do on a weekend trip, is drive west, take out a heavy deposit and drive home rich?!! Sounds simple enough!Does USGS have an X where you need to dig?

All you need to do is believe IN YOUR OWN MIND that the claim you are high grading is invalid, then yes... Dig Away...

Unfortunately/FORTUNATELY we don't all have a "personality disorder" and we (the sane ones) believe in the rule
of law, and respect other people and their property, and don't just make stuff up and call it the truth when its convenient.

 

[GoldpannerDave]

No Alex it needs to be deleted, I would hate to see someone doing a search on the internet and take this garbage for gospel and act on it. Tell ya what, the next thread can be on highgrading. I'm thinking from the looks of it this person is as equally versed in unlawful mining technics as they are in mining law...........................

Chsbrns "If/when we head west next winter we will not file claims. We will go right to heavy gold deposits shown in USGS files and extract the valuable mineral deposit. If we happen to be on someones claim due to not seeing or not having their required corner and discovery monuments and the claim owner shows up we can and will dispute the validity of their claim..."

Wow! Like I said, it is like arguing with a, ah, ah, a claim-jumper; they are always right...it seems that they just like to argue.

 

[Alex Burke]

Yeah no problem I understand, this would be worse than any of the things the thread was originally designed to discuss if people actually started doing what he is talking about...

I feel like I should make a research tip thread soon or add to Clay's thread so everyone can find these magical USGS maps or others that he speaks of for their area

 

[Nitric]

All you need to do is believe IN YOUR OWN MIND that the claim you are high grading is invalid, then yes... Dig Away...

Unfortunately/FORTUNATELY we don't all have a "personality disorder" and we (the sane ones) believe in the rule
of law, and respect other people and their property, and don't just make stuff up and call it the truth when its convenient.

I'm just making jokes...I really don't know much about claims. I do know that there is a lot of unmarked, unsigned land all over. I would think it's the individuals responsibility to know what land they are digging on,hunting or whatever...It really shouldn't have to be marked. That's more of an opinion I guess since I know little about claims. My land doesn't have... no hunting,growing of your own plants,dumping trash, or any other sign on it, not even sure the corners are marked. Not, sure that's even remotely the same?

 

[Tnmountains]

Locked for review

 

[Treasure_Hunter]

Appears someone is once again stirring trouble..