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  1. #106
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaghettigold View Post
    Birds,frogs,fish and earth orbit threatened by dredgers?
    No, just a way of belief about to be eliminated. And just like a snake, the body keeps moving for awhile after the head is cut off.
    And the head is still capable of biting but that diminishes "after the sun sets".

    Their worst fears are being realized. People are becoming educated and starting to see the truth. There are a few of us who are leading the way. And as it once was, it is again. When the eco's couldn't control public opinion, they resorted to both calls for violence and to violence itself.

    Like I said, it will get much worse before it gets better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Machinist View Post
    No, just a way of belief about to be eliminated. And just like a snake, the body keeps moving for awhile after the head is cut off.
    And the head is still capable of biting but that diminishes "after the sun sets".

    Their worst fears are being realized. People are becoming educated and starting to see the truth. There are a few of us who are leading the way. And as it once was, it is again. When the eco's couldn't control public opinion, they resorted to both calls for violence and to violence itself.

    Like I said, it will get much worse before it gets better.

    You reckon they'd resort to something akin to spiking trees but to our rivers? I certainly hope not! Never understood how hurting the trees was somehow helping them not to mention injuring people.
    A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep. - Saul Bellow

  3. #108

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Machinist View Post
    No, just a way of belief about to be eliminated. And just like a snake, the body keeps moving for awhile after the head is cut off.
    And the head is still capable of biting but that diminishes "after the sun sets".

    Their worst fears are being realized. People are becoming educated and starting to see the truth. There are a few of us who are leading the way. And as it once was, it is again. When the eco's couldn't control public opinion, they resorted to both calls for violence and to violence itself.

    Like I said, it will get much worse before it gets better.
    There,s different types of greenies ,its a hydra .Some are idealistic/extremist ,some make a business out of it,some both and there,s the institutionalized greenism,the 21er,s. I watch them operate with the same tacticts here.
    Its very interesting and revealing to watch and compare when you can look at different countries.The strategie with the endangered species act for example Difference here it,s not used to ban dredging,thats not even immaginable to run a motorized dredge here as a small scaler ..,here they use the end.species, or threaten to use it, to regulate/ban panning and sluicing and other outdoors activities.
    I was able too read in a local prospecting forum how that works sometimes,it leads you to second hand embarassment on behalf of the sustainables and shows the reality of how these people work and where its heading too.But the really sad thing is they probably will be succesful.
    There are several cantons where,in the meanwhile, every prospecting is forbidden,others regulated to death and in the remaining cantons they work at it.

    A short recap of the discussion i,ve read. The prospecting forum members where talking about some other issues as suddenly a new forum member chimes in ;"hello everybody,we have a problem here near this river ,we have a couple of breeding eagle owls and the problem is they are disturbed by goldwashers,Just last saturday i saw 4goldwashers along the(entire!) river only 150 feet away from the rockface with the breeding owls..(hyperventilating)sometimes there are even 7! It can,t continue like this,i put a lot of work in supporting the eagle owl population and they are endangered.I already contacted the local agencies and we made a on site inspection and saw also some holes from the goldwashers."

    At this point some forum members dare to disagree that they are the reason for endangerment of the eagle owls (remember;5 to 7 panners or sluicers along the entire river) and adress some points,one of the arguments a member adresses are eagles (of another variety though) in another comunity that are breeding above a camping site with hundreds of peoples and are doing well.

    The unsustainable forum member starts to show his real face in the following discussion,he says he finds all this opposition is encouragim him to take action against the prospectors and that the days of "free goldpanning and sluicing "will be over in the WHOLE canton he,s at, soon.
    (A canton is like a state in the us ,only on much smaller scale)
    Note how he jumped from regulate prospecting near a rockface , to a entire canton/state. He continues by mentioning(threatening) that he is also working in an agencie involved (the sustainables)
    But to give the story also a scientific backround and to adress the point with the eagles at the camping site he starts telling that in nature there are "synanthropic bird,s"(species that survive in areas developped by man) and hemerophobic species that don,t survive in areas developped by man.
    Now apart from the ridicoulous comparison of some goldwashers with a urban enviroment,i had to laugh hard as a forum member posted breedingsites of eagle owls in ACTIVE QUARRYS and BELL TOWERS where said eagle owls where breeding and prospering.At this point some members jumped in to save the totalitarians face.They told him they should continue talk in privat.
    Why?Because they know that in the ending ,these people are the ones who tell the policymakers what to do and in some cases ,they are the ones that decide policy.So better don,t argue with him. The proplem is they loose more prospectingground every year to the point that some seasoned prospectors are thinking about throwing the towel.Some even suggest to shut down the forum.


    Why i,m telling that here in this forum? Because it seems that this is relating to a global agreement of rulings and standards,that has the goal to,in short words;shut down recr.prospecting and allow only operations with significant economic potential ,certified and surveiled by the agencies,paid by those taking the action(the miners)And in the same time create "don,t touch" zones.Where i,m at, when i talk about significant economic potential,i,m not speaking about some small scaler with a claim. As here there are only few viable goldsites and the money to be made is more about all the alluvial material together in the other sites(gravel and other minerals along with gold) there are mostly quarrys mining the alluvial.But the permitting process is very restrictive and very expensive.After the quarrys have done theire work ,very often the worked zone is declared a conservation area where nothing is allowed,sometimes even fenced. I,m shure that at this rate in 10 to 15 years from now on..well,you can figure it out.Thats why i don,t want to even talk about too much about mercury,it would get worse in calif.(and later probably everywhere) also if there,s no merc because in the end they are following the same backroom agreements our chiefs have signed here.

    But we can do it just for fun .
    cheers
    Last edited by spaghettigold; Jun 16, 2015 at 11:04 AM.
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  4. #109
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Gilded Lens View Post
    You reckon they'd resort to something akin to spiking trees but to our rivers? I certainly hope not! Never understood how hurting the trees was somehow helping them not to mention injuring people.
    Yes I do. To them the means justifies the ends.

    Hell, some Greenpeace morons damaged the Nazca lines in the Peruvian Desert to get a message out about globull warming so pulling some stunt on a river is not that far of a stretch.
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  5. #110
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    Just something to look up that mimics heavy metal poisoning in affecting the brain.

    Depression Serotonin Nervous system problems and the Brain

    And just so everyone knows:

    Biggest Threats | Antibiotic/Antimicrobial Resistance | CDC

    About half way down the page. Click on the fluconazole resistant candida and you'll see it in the serious concern category. Much of what the yeast produces from a diet high in sugar are some rather potent neurotoxins.
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    Here's a blast from the past. Turns outbid was pretty muchright.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29124976/

    So it seems that its selenium deficiency caused by mercury "poisoning" that actually causes the problem.

    And yet they tell us not to eat fish like tuna that contains 167% of the daily recommended dose of selenium because they contain mercury.

    My theory is that the lack of sufficient Omega-3 fatty acids has more of an effect on the brain development of a fetus than mercury "poisoning" does.
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  7. #112
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    Here's a blast from the past. Turns outbid was pretty muchright.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29124976/

    So it seems that its selenium deficiency caused by mercury "poisoning" that actually causes the problem.

    And yet they tell us not to eat fish like tuna that contains 167% of the daily recommended dose of selenium because they contain mercury.

    My theory is that the lack of sufficient Omega-3 fatty acids has more of an effect on the brain development of a fetus than mercury "poisoning" does.
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  8. #113
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Machinist View Post
    Here's a blast from the past. Turns outbid was pretty muchright.

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/29124976/

    So it seems that its selenium deficiency caused by mercury "poisoning" that actually causes the problem.

    And yet they tell us not to eat fish like tuna that contains 167% of the daily recommended dose of selenium because they contain mercury.

    My theory is that the lack of sufficient Omega-3 fatty acids has more of an effect on the brain development of a fetus than mercury "poisoning" does.
    Don't quite know about that.

    I met a guy who is working with a group to try and get miners in South America to switch to non mercury recovery.

    They are dealing with mothers who have kids that were born healthy.
    These mothers do insane stuff like breast feed one baby..while their toddler lays on the floor pretty much a vegetable.

    While breastfeeding mom is burning off amalgam with a maap torch in the thatched hut.

    The mercury issue relating to mining in the US is all hype in places like the Amazon... not so much.

    I don't care how many fish oil capsule you take . Burning off mercury like that is just plain stupid.

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    Same with what I heard out of Africa. Only that the Chinese are the ones supplying all the mercury.

 

 
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