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[MadMarshall]

So I put this garbage on in the garage as background.
Stream the Miner's Guild Free | Power Talk 1360

I found the whole thing absurd.

One of the biggest problems the mining community faces is "RECREATIONAL MINERS" like Robert goin around advocating nonsense..

 

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[spaghettigold]

why am i start loosing hair on my head where i want it ,and instead grows stronger in my nose...and why clay diggins is greasy and wet while you refuse a wetsuit.

see ,you can work out things even with territorial guys,once you give the last word to the agencies you are dependent on theyre grace.

 

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[mytimetoshine]

Gerry(asmbandits) has a decent claim. Should he give it up because life makes him busy?

You guys keep missing the point. The question was never should Gerry give up his claim. It was why would he pay money to keep it? But I don't think I'm ever going to get my answer....Besides I allready know what it is. It's for recreation! Or, not in Gerries case but for mining other miners, or a tax break. The tax break is something I just learned from Clay. Thanks again for that education Clay.

I guess some will never be considered a "miner" in the eyes of the biased.

Thanks for kicking the hornets nest
Goldflecks
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[mytimetoshine]

delete

 

[Goldwasher]

It costs less than 60 bucks a year to keep a claim. Ten bucks more per claim up to ten.

It's even less per year if you have partners.

We do work instead of paying the maintenance fee.
I guess those that are willing can.

There is a lot of good open ground to claim. I've just never seen a hurdle to access, or available ground
It's actually the cheaper way compares to buying a claim or joining a group.
That's why I try to help people figure it out.

 

[Goldwasher]

You better have good paperwork in order for a tax break that matters.

 

[Goldwasher]

I do think it's funny to call mining "selfish"...when literally everyone depends on miners sharing their wealth.

I agree people can get "selfish" with spots. That goes for hunting, fishing, and going to antique stores.
There is no shortage of places to go look for gold in our state.
Screw combat fishing and panning.
I'm glad I don't have to "settle" for the best place I've heard about. That is for sure.

 

[mytimetoshine]

You better have good paperwork in order for a tax break that matters.

Just found out some people have really good paper work

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[mytimetoshine]

Side note that in 1848 mining law required a claim to be worked "once" per week or was invalid.. but you know those old guys didn't know what they were talking about. just crazed liberals I think

 

[Clay Diggins]

Side note that in 1848 mining law required a claim to be worked 1 per week or was invalid.. but you know those old guys didn't know what they were talking about. just crazed liberals I think

Crazed is right. It's a made up "mining law". Maybe try checking your sources?

Heavy Pans

 

[mytimetoshine]

Crazed is right. It's a made up "mining law". Maybe try checking your sources?

Heavy Pans

it's a fabulous read. you should find some time for it good sir.

https://archive.org/details/diaryafortynine01canfgoog

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[Clay Diggins]

it's a fabulous read. you should find some time for it good sir.

https://archive.org/details/diaryafortynine01canfgoog

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I have a copy of the original yourtime. That and several other fantasies published during the 1880 - 1920 period provide occasional amusement. I see no law there only the musings of an imaginary bystander 60 years after the fact. From the introduction to the book:

First published in 1906
The diary "purported to be the experiences of Alfred T. Jackson, a pioneer miner who ... worked on Rock Creek, Nevada County, California." Pref. p. ix. The name Alfred T. Jackson is probably fictitious
Chauncey de Leon Canfield (1843-1909) first published "The diary of a forty-niner" in 1906, and 1,200 of the 2,000 copies in that edition were burned. Joseph Gaer's Bibliography of California literature, 20 describes this book as written in the form of a diary, but fictional.'

Clearly neither historical fact nor a first hand account. This book and many other's fall into the popular nostalgia of the "dime store novel" that was so successful as America went from a period encouraging exploration and adventure to one of nostalgia and conformity.

Read them and enjoy them as I have but please don't rely on them to understand mining law of the period. They are fantasies designed to excite the bored populace of an industrial nation. Reading about cowboys, bandits and miners was a form of entertainment before radio and movies became common in the factory towns and farmlands of America.

Heavy Pans

 

[Goldwasher]

District law is not the same as federal Mining Law. One allows for the other. there is variance of laws by District and State. No dictate from the top down.

There were quite a few unique district bylaws.

 

[mytimetoshine]

Wow. ok. well aree to disagree then. but you have no more proof to the diaries fiction than I do to its reality.

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[Goldwasher]

Think about it. If you reference a "mining Law" from 1848 you are referencing a local "customary" law.

They were never ever almost all of the time the same.

From Coloma on out to the other discoveries as well as the hundreds of camps forming all over the state.

California wasn't a State. There was no placer act yet the combined acts were decades off.

The acts later allowed the miners to keep up the majority of their customs and districts. Thats where the on the ground stuff would come from. I.E 15ft claims, a shovel in your hole means it's your claim. No Chileans or Chinamen.
None of that came from the government and in reference to what we deal with today just is not properly labeled as "Mining Law" Thank goodness congress leveled the playing field and really did open up mining to a fella with a running brain and a desire to work. They purposely didn't tell you when or how often. With the understanding that working men would pretty much sort the rest out. If they really wanted to make some money.

I'm way more worried about being a full blown outlaw than I am finding places to go. Though I moved from socal to change that. So I wouldn't have to rely on a PARK to go do stuff with the permission of the crown and a tag in my window. No sympathy here for the Babylonians that's for sure.

 

[KevinInColorado]

Wow. ok. well aree to disagree then. but you have no more proof to the diaries fiction than I do to its reality.

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This is just silly. All you read should be considered fiction until proven true. I think the last year of public discourse in the US proves that!

 

[Jeff95531]

"I'm way more worried about being a full blown outlaw than I am finding places to go."

Amen brother. Amen. Someday in the future those two worlds will likely collide for me and hopefully I have prepared for it well enuff.

 

[Tuolumne]

Who has actually listened to the radio show?

 

[MadMarshall]

Obviously I listened to it. And my views I suspect are quite clear.. And I feel no reason at this time for them to change.

But I find myself wanting to delve a little deeper.. And on my views of Recreational Prospecting. Now I suspect that I sometimes make it sound and even speak in tones that puts Recreational prospecting in a negative way. I myself started recreationally about a decade or so ago.
But I do not consider recreational prospecting the intent of mining law. Nor do I think recreational prospecting is protected by Mining Law. I personally feel that the reason we are in the situation we are in today is a direct result of individuals perversing law for their own benefit.. GPAA New 49rs and on and on an on.. Recreational clubs at the sole exspense of the mining community for the sake of a good time .recreation has helped destroy another small trade. ALL CLUB claims are RECREATIONAL CLAIMS..(Fake Mining Claims)UNLAWFUL..
For me I have a RIGHT to make my living off of the Minerals and my intent to do so is what gives me the right. Mining laws doesn't protect me for recreational purpose.. Lipstick on a pig.

GW
The things with RIGHTS; is they cant take them away.. And when they do some just roll over.. Others become an outlaw.. I hope I have the courage to become an outlaw..