Amra makes a wage??

[MadMarshall]

well I figured some of you may get a chuckle... Kinda reminds me of the kids running around in their crime fighters with a towel tied around their neck .. "I'm Superman I'm Superman" ... Sure they aren't bulletproof but its fun for them to pretend..
I suppose some never grow out of pretending..



I am down with the flu but watching this vid really made me laugh.. Like Saturday Night Live for prospecting.
I love the time taken to promote crappy recreational tools.
my favorite part was the end and the wording.. A MINER NEVER TELLS BUT WE DID MAKE WAGES..

Integrity and Truth and Prospecting/Mining knowledge are things that AMRA lack.. Pretty much just another B.S Non Profit preaching and teaching ignorance.. No different then the ignorant Enviromentlist non profits..

Shannon get to make wages all on a non profits dollar.. Well I mean if that's if you take AMRA at its word.. But regardless you donate you are just supporting SHANNON and Friends and their silly adventures in make believe.. But I suppose we just have to take Shannons word for it on the good they are doing. They have absolutely no Transparency at all. Hell even the Non profits of the Enviros share more then AMRA and how Donations are used...

 

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[Goldwasher]

i've never jumped a claim, and i promise you I have been high graded to the tune of several thousand dollars. I also have to worry about it in the future. Luckily for me I'm very present on my claim and have several cameras.

I don't have a guilty conscious as I haven't done anything to be guilty of.

You have accused me of being a scammer more than once, you need to stop doing that.

Funny how you and Victor get to express your opinion on a club though when I express mine it's a personal attack thrown back my way.

I just wanted to look the fella in the eye in person who makes it a point to bash pretty much everything he can on a forum. maybe be able to get past it and have a better understanding of each other.

It is pretty obvious at this point that you prefer to just attack people.

As far as what AMRA does. I could care less honestly. First and foremost I'm not a member. Second so what?

Third everything they get slammed with here is based on hearsay, opinion and attitude.

I know more than a handful of their members and they all spend a lot of their own time and money doing what they can in their area and joining together.
I also know that if you get into a legal/leo issue Amra will jump right in and back you up in court they have done it numerous times in Ca. With positive results.

Saying AMRA or clubs are ruining small scale mining and claims are being hoarded is a personal opinion and a pretty difficult thing to prove.

Considering there are actual groups of people trying to end mining period. There are people that wish you couldn't even stake a mineral claim there are much worse things to worry about.
Clubs are a net positive for prospectors the few negative attributes are more related to personal issues. Really the only negative things expressed are by a few people who also have negative things to say about what other prospectors do as individuals. Who has and should have claims, are you recreational, hating on weekenders etc.

Amra videos relatively comical but, it sure isn't Jeff Williams of Tom Massey salting ground. They do spread info and the videos of Shannon calling out geologists and F.S. in person are awesome.

I don't really see how amateur goldporn youtube video's that show nice gold are really all that educational. Inspirational maybe though they really have little usable substance beyond that.

These crusade threads seem to be over ego conflict more than anything else. Elitism

 

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[Jeff95531]

GW and MM...I have learned a great deal from both of you during my short stay here. I respect both of you and likely more than you know. That said, I hate drama...HATE drama! It's why I come here. To escape it like I do when I hit the ground running cuz I can't stand it anymore (civilization). I know next to nothing on this subject but I do care. But only so much at a time, ya know? I think that sums us up as miners as a whole. Opinionated, cantankerous, old, (or at least old fashioned) young, makes no nevermind...add your own...but my wish is that we listen and respect each other no matter what. MM let me know what was going on @ PLP and NOT PLP. That was an important piece of info and Barry gave me the first hint BTW. You see where my loyalties lie. BUT, cuz we are a family...it's family to me. If it get's too bad...remember us black sheep and live and let live. I don't want to be an outlaw, but I know who I want covering my back. Peace.

 

[delnorter]

Thanks Minerrick for the positive perspective and explanation of need.

Mike

 

[Tuolumne]

Is it me or is WMA say they are out of money every newsletter? At least they are upfront about that!
They should list the donations coming in, any one can line item the 2.5 million they say went to mining groups? I doubt they can substantiate that.
Where is the pie chart or fundraising thermometer to show how much was taken in for Amra or WMA?

No one really knows what's comming and going but these groups never stop calling or asking

Blame mining ban for walkers problems? Does any think that a 68 year old living in trailor with daughter(how old?) is weird or what? I'm not donating a penny to that. Family is more important than mining and he should get his priorities strait and get some help for his daughter and loved ones. Gold fever is real and this is example of how not to prioritize gold over family. Get a job and take care of your daughter first! WMA article said he sent his daughter to live with his son in New Mexico? So what you wrote above is not the whole story. There are problems we can't help fix, I'm not sending my money to grey hair daddy that doesn't prioritize family over gold fever

How come no details about his case? Ask money but don't even state what he fighting or how much he was offered to settle, talk about being transparent- something just don't add up right here

Gold advocacy groups, list money comming in and expenses and be transparent , stop with the sob stories, send me hisdaughters address and I will send money there that old timer doesn't need it, prioritizing mining over family is a crime in my district!

 

[minerrick]

TT-We state we are out of money because our account resides at zero. It's actually a joke around here, because even asking doesn't help. In order to pay the bills I am out actively hunting mining claims to sell to pay our bills. If you want to know what a non-profit brings in, look up their 990's online and then you will be informed- seek and you shall find. It's all public knowledge. The March newsletter describes Keith's case. There is a back-story to Keith's case, but I won't go into it here. But the backstory enraged him to the pointi that he probably figured his case would be a slam-dunk. But as we all found out (and the recent Hardesty case pointed out), if you are a small-scale anything in CA, justice is not something you expect to come cheaply (if ever). Being involved in this has really opened my eyes to how corrupt our state REALLY is. Unbelievalble. So you don't like advocacy organization and you found fault with Walker, so I guess Rinehart can expect a substantial donation from you, eh? Or are you just going to sit in front of your computer and complain about how EVERYONE ELSE is doing it wrong? I am amazed how many people are so enthusiastic to shout down what others are making an gargantuan effort to do- whether it works or not- people are spending time that they could otherwise be spending with their families or out working their claims like you do, while you shout down the volunteer who is using their own free time to work for your benefit. Sure, maybe it isn't the way YOU'D do it, but YOU AREN'T DOING IT. So rather than offering to help at any capacity, you are complaining about other's volunteer efforts- it makes no sense to me.. No wonder the enviros have such a field day with us. We can't even collectively get around ANYTHING without fighting each other.

 

[minerrick]

MM & TT, do you want an "education in activism?" Volunteer. Everyone needs help. Do you want to see for yourself how all the organizations are "squandering your money", when then volunteer, that way you can see it for yourself from the inside out. That way, you will know for a fact you aren't being fed a line. Get involved. If you want to do your own activism, and don't want to "waste money" giving to others who are volunteering THIER OWN TIME, contact us and we can give you talking points where you can go down a visit your elected representative. Can't hurt, and it is better than bashing what other volunteers are doing, trying to make positive change. Spend a bunch of time getting to know your representative (both local and on the State & Federal level) on a first name basis. Pull out your poke pour it on the table and let your elected official get a taste of "the elephant" and explain how your small scale mining business is one of many who supporting your local community. Who knows, maybe you will make a friend. The enviros have convinced all the elected officials that miners are old farts who only recreationally mine one weekend a year. No one understands it is an industry which supports and enriches low income communities- which are being destroyed due to lack of employemnt. Tell them how we remove mercury from the rivers...... There is only so much a small group of people like WMA can do. There is only so much time (an no money). If you want to help out in a big way, contact us. If we had four or five people in each county of the State of CA visiting our elected officials on a regular basis (especially in Democrat districts) it possibly could make a big difference. What do we have? Crickets... You want to help out? call anytime..... but I'm not holding my breath.....

Also, I don't buy your argument about capitalism. In CA, Big Government is choosing the winners and losers- the word for that is Fascism. The Large Corporations and Environmental non-profits are working overtime to introduce legislation that destroys the small businessman, while ensures continued profits for their own enterprises. Nope, that's not capitalism. Look it up.

 

[MadMarshall]

MM, do you want an "education in activism?" Volunteer. Everyone needs help. Do you want to see for yourself how all the organizations are "squandering your money", when then volunteer, that way you can see it for yourself from the inside out. That way, you will know for a fact you aren't being fed a line. Get involved. If you want to do your own activism, and don't want to "waste money" giving to others who are volunteering THIER TIME, contact us and we can give you talking points where you can go down a visit your elected representative. Can't hurt, and it is better than bashing what other's are doing, trying to make positive change. Spend a bunch of time getting to know your representative (both local and on the State & Federal level) on a first name basis. Pull out your poke pour it on the table and let your elected official get a taste of "the elephant" and explain how your small scale mining business is one of many who supporting your local community. The enviros have convinced all the elected officials that miners are old farts who only recreationally mine one weekend a year. No one understands it is an industry which supports low income communities- that is being destroyed . There is only so much a small group of people like WMA can do. There is only so much time (an no money). If you want to help out in a big way, contact us. If we had four or five people in each county of the State of CA visiting our elected officials on a regular basis (especially in Democrat districts) it possibly could make a big difference. What do we have? Crickets... You want to help out? call anytime..... but I'm not holding my breath.....

Also, I don't buy your argument about capitalism. In CA, Big Government is choosing the winners and losers- the word for that is Fascism. The Large Corporations and Environmental non-profits are working overtime to introduce legislation that destroys the small businessman, while ensures continued profits for their own enterprises. Nope, that's not capitalism. Look it up.

Thanks but no Thanks.
I am no stranger to Activists and activism in the todays day and age.. I find it nauseating.. Not that I do not support or agree with the facts or the ideas. I just find a lack of integrity these days that personally I rather not be a part of. I know individuals who are very active in many shapes an forms that I have more respect for then Groups like Amra .. Each unique in their forms of activism and hold a value. Some write letters and attend meeting some are active in the actual upkeep of land. Clearing trails cleaning trash. Other give money. other can do all of the above. So many ways indivuals can be active in the community. It just depends on so many things.. people have work family ect ect.. And all have merit.. These individuals all contribute in their own way. One doesn't necessary trump the other.
Now for some reason groups and people like to lash out and instead of accounting for anything like to point the finger. Now for these groups it seems they like to shame people.. What are you doin? how are you saving mining? I don't see you do anything? The list goes on and on.. I suppose for me I have a hard time understanding this. I personally aint in the habit of telling individuals in how the they should make the world a better place. But in the case of Amra a NON Profit I know that I have every right to question the actions and intentions of. The plain and simple fact is that AMRA could settle this easy. I mean some transparency and accountability would be nice. But for whatever reason they choose alternative routes. Dodging /silence / pointing fingers or whatever.. Anything but accountability on their parts.. Plenty of groups and clubs and crap in the mining world. Only a few I feel as truly taking advantage of individuals as using activism as a wage. AMRA is one of those..
Simple as that..


You don't have to buy my argument about Capitalism. I aint trying to sell ya nothing..

 

[minerrick]

MM, you made my point. Thank you.

 

[Skunked68w]

instead of wondering where they spend the dues why doesn't everyone just look up their Federal Form 990. It shows where the money goes. the newest one i can find shows nothing out of the ordinary. The only BS i could find was $1727 in bankcard fees in 2015. Holy crap use the ATM at your bank dummies.

 

[Skunked68w]

http://990s.foundationcenter.org/99...990EZ.pdf?_ga=1.65371947.423226743.1491180312


link to AMRA 2015 FED form 990-EZ

 

[Terry Soloman]

Did you look at "Schedule O" on their return? WAAAAAAY too much supposedly spent on "gas," supplies," and "advertising?" C'mon people! What other numbers is Mr. Poe fudging? This guy has a great racket going for himself!

 

[MadMarshall]

Am I mistaken but it seems to me only like maybe 8000 bucks outa of a 110,000 was spent in possible efforts to support the miner? Rhinehart /walker case? Or is that just money given to other likeminded groups? Lots of money it seems to make AMRA exist. But doesn't seems like a whole lot goin back to the community.
Maybe someone can help me understand how to tell how much AMRA supported court cases and such.. Honestly I thought Brandon was squared away.. But I'm starting to wonder how long before these groups actually allocate donations to what they claim.. AMRA seems to have a 1 percent return rate on donations.. 1 percent of what you donate might get put to an actual cause but more likely just to support AMRA..
Facebook is free. I am unsure what advertising amra does that warrants 15k? Anyway doesn't do anything to sway my opinion. The opposite in fact..

 

[Skunked68w]

This is 2015 form990 earliest I could find. My wife who is in last semester of master of public administration says they usually lag about 12-18 months online but AMRA would have a current one. Maybe you should ask them? They have a fancy new site ask them to post them

 

[Skunked68w]

I like how they work 0.00 hours on average

 

[Terry Soloman]

You just have to feel sorry for the folks that believe in Poe, and AMRA.

 

[minerrick]

Why are you so guys obsessed with nitpicking AMRA?

 

[Skunked68w]

Personally I'm happy AMRA is around. Most newer orgs have similar finances. Most have failed by now. As they grow they should be able to give back more. If they dont that's when to be mad. Still too early in the game to judge

 

[MadMarshall]

Why are you so guys obsessed with nitpicking AMRA?

How many years has AMRA asked for donations to support these cases to support the mining community? almost 5? Come to find out that very little money if any of the donations received have gone to anything to the support the mining community or these court cases. Also the track record of AMRA and the individuals they praise and support is embarrassing. From PLP to MMAC and now there association with Robert and others who have really little clue and experience in mining or mining rights. Who knows what or who they will support next? its quite obvious its not the mining community..
Honestly I see AMRA as a SCAM. I nitpick AMRA because I see them as taking advantage of the mining community and doin it harm.. honestly it seems like every 3 months Rhinehart needs more money and so on and so on.. Its not my wish to undermine the Rhinehart case but honestly seems to me these groups could have squared him away days ago? But honestly I think they use cases like Rhinehart as just a marketing tool. Truth is these actions take away from the cause and ultimately hurt us more.. Hell how many people actually thought that their money was actually goin to the cases? Turns out just a little portion if any. hell in 2015 seems like very little donations went to anything other then AMRA?
How about AMRA or yourself enlighten me? Tell me where I am mistaken?

 

[minerrick]

First of all, this is only my opinion, and doesn't reflect anyone at WMA. So if I state this wrong, blame it on me, and no one else.I don't personally know AMRA's expenses, but I can tell you that pre-AMRA mining groups appear to have been non-collaborative for years. They apparently didn't share info on their own court cases and thus it appears there was no coordinated defense. So, as a strategy, you can figure out how efficient it was (and probably the basis for a lot of complaints within the community). In my opinion (for what it is worth), Shannon has been a breath of fresh air in the way he does things and the way he has been the only glue to try to organize the mining community (no profit in that). I think he has made great efforts to try to bring the mining community together and it probably took great expense to do so (no profit in that). He was the only one who reached out to all the mining groups and rented a conference room to get everyone together to try to work things out (no profit in that). I can tell you from personal experience, organizing the miners is as effective as herding cats (definitely no profit in that). There are a lot of strong, do-it-yourself personalities in our community, and everyone wants to be in charge and "do it their own way" (more trouble than it is worth, in my opinion). Maybe in some situations (like working your mining claim) that is a good trait, but when collaboration is a key feature of a task to be achieved, dis-organization leaves a bit to be desired and is VERY EXPENSIVE. You guys are complaining he has huge expenses, well it is probably because he is driving all over the place trying to organize cats. He is starting at square one and trying to mend deep, old wounds. You couldn't pay me enough to do what he is doing and my hat is off to him. Better him than me.

I think you ought to back off of attacking him, at least until you walk a mile in his shoes. It ain't no picnic what he is doing and if anyone thinks it is so, I encourage you to volunteer for his organziation so you can see first hand what he is doing. Arm chair quarterbacking does nothing to bring the mining community together, and unless you have solid proof of wrongdoing, I would focus your energies on the people and organizations who are trying to DESTROY OUR INDUSTRY and support those who are supporting you. Whether or not you think it is the way you would do it.

 

[SchoolOfHardRocks]

Well.. i think its safe to say this ^^comment wont last long lol^^