Mariposa Mining District Authority is it real???

[MadMarshall]

From Amra facebook page..


AMRA President Shannon Poe has one of his mining claims illegally top-filed.

A claim AMRA President Shannon Poe (and three others) picked up in 2009 was top-filed by another miner in 2010. This has resulted in a myriad of angry phone calls and is a prime example of how to handle a situation like this.

First of all, whomever files first owns the claim if it was filed correctly. Meaning: a proper location, description, it is on ground open to mineral entry and filing, was recorded properly with the county and has the proper signatures. The claim must be filed timely with the BLM and recorded within 90 days of locating the claim. Our claim is 80 acres and has 4 claimants. As a reminder, you need one signature/locator/claimant for each 20 acres filed so a 20 acre claim only needs one locator/signature, a 160 acre claim needs 8.

This claim has 4 signatures, was properly marked (location date and marker), was properly recorded with the county, filed with BLM and the description of the claim is valid and proper.

So what do you do if someone top-files you like this?

Print copies of every document which pertains to the claims and obtain all copies of taxes (if applicable) paid on the claim to the county from the date of location to the current date.

Write a time line of events. In this case, We typed up a two page time line of the two claims involved from two years prior to our filing the claim to prove there were no other claims over the ground we were filing. We included every document relating to the date of all of the claims filed in that section. We referenced each of the documents as attachments (example: attachment 1 etc...).

Example:
2009
All areas within section 32 of 3S, 12E are open for mineral entry and claims location. The land is administered by USFS (Stanislaus NF). 80 acre placer claim "Golden Nugget" was staked and marked as a discovery on October 9th, 2009 by locator Poe, Seagull, Smith and Decker.

The claim was recorded in Mariposa County October 12th 2009 and the claim was filed with BLM with a proper description on November 9th, 2009. (See attachment 1)

2010:
Claim named "jumper" was filed with BLM on March 23, 2010 over the top of "Golden Nugget" by claimant Wagner. The claim was recorded in Mariposa County March 27, 2010 (see attachment 2). Claim owners Poe, Seagull, Smith and Decker were unaware a claim has been filed over their claim.

Jumper was filed as a 40 acre claim and had one signature/locator/claimant. This invalidates the claim for two reasons, one the claim was top-filed over another validly held, filed and recorded claim. Two, because the claim only has one signature and the claim file does not contain any quit claim where one person was dropped off the claim. The original documents show only one signature.

2014:
Claimant Wagner was witnessed by miner and claim owner Smith posting claim markers on Golden Nugget claiming the claim is "Jumper". Smith informed Wagner the claim is not his and Golden Nugget was filed and owned prior to his claim being filed. He was informed to cease and desist and remove the illegal claim markers. Wagner refused. Smith removed claim markers from the claim. Poe calls Wagner and informs Wagner the claim is not his and to cease and desist. Offers to provide all BLM and county documents proving legal ownership. Wagner refuses and hangs up.

2015, 2016:
No contact with Wagner and no issues reported.

May 2017:
Wagner resurfaces and claims Golden Nugget is his claim and that Jumper is 160 acres and encompasses the entire lower SE section. Makes a statement to mining partner of Poe, Dan Seagull that he is calling the Sheriff and have all parties arrested for claim jumping and trespass. Informs all parties to cease any and all mining operations.

Poe calls Wagner and informs Wagner once again it is not his claim and that Golden Nugget was legally and properly filed the year prior to his locating "Jumper". Asks Wagner to contact BLM and request all documents relating to who filed the claims and when proving ownership and that Golden Nugget was filed the year prior to his claim. Wagner refuses and becomes irrational. Poe informs Wagner he is materially interfering with his mining operation and to again cease and desist with his illegal assertions and activities. Wagner becomes more irrational, calls Poe some names and hangs up.

Today:
We contacted the Mariposa Mining District who has authority over this area and requested a hearing. We have submitted a timeline similar to the one above and have provided all legal documents, descriptions and contact information of all parties.

The Mining District will hold a hearing and make a ruling on the legal ownership of the claim(s) based upon the evidence.

Once this is completed, a copy of this determination (affidavit from the board) will be provided to both parties and to the county Sheriff.

I will be contacting and requesting a meeting with the county Sheriff once the determination is completed. I will provide all the documents and inform the Sheriff it is a civil matter, but that we are the rightful owners of this real property mining claim. If the man continues with materially interfering with my mining operations, legal and criminal charges can be pursued.

Materially interfering with a mining operation is a crime in California, although rarely prosecuted, it is a crime. It is a felony to claim jump in California and to illegally claim someone's claim as your own.

Mining claim disputes are a civil matter. You can't call, and expect BLM to do a thing about this. BLM allowed another person to file a claim over ours, plain and simple and this created this mess. A civil matter meaning it is between the two parties and unless this is remedied with the Mining District holding a hearing, it will then only be resolved in civil court. I spoke with BLM on Tuesday and they admitted to me on the phone, they will take anyone's paperwork, even if it is over the top of another persons claim. Let that sink in for a minute. They will allow anyone to file any claim, no questions asked. Obviously we are going to work hard to change this.

We are fully prepared and willing to take this man to court as it is not a question of "if" we own the claim.

We'll give everyone an update as this case proceeds.
Have a question? Just ask, that is what AMRA is about.

From Mariposa Mining District facebook page
Our meeting went well with the current board being installed for the next term , we adopted a budget and briefed the miners of actions being taken in a current claim dispute


Now I believe that the mining districts Kevin and Robert created are illegitimate.. And I am curious on if these post are just BullSHT.. I do not know both side of the story just what AMRA posted but I do not think That Mariposa Mining District has any authority to make any decisions about jack squat. So I am wondering if maybe someone could help enlighten me.. Am I mistaken to think that any decision and action taken by the Mariposa Mining District is just a joke? or maybe not? I have no doubt that Mariposa Mining district ruled in Favor of their (friends) but I just don't see how they can enforce or set any standards in relating to mining and such in their district..

I get asked from time to time about these districts and I honestly don't believe they have the authority to do anything in regards to anything mining related I tell people as much.. the fact that they go around and hussling miners in believing they are a real Mining District and are legit is criminal in my opinion..

So for instance .. If these jokers decided to create a mining district in my area what actions can I take to protect my mining interests?
What legal action can be taken against these frauds if any?? Are there any laws that protect me from such manipulation and fraud? or am I subject to whatever idiot decides to create BS mining Districts?
How can one protect himself and his mining rights from Frauds Like MMAC KEVIN BELL Robert Guarduola and whoever else decides fake a Mining District?
Ill be gone from Sat to Tuesday.. so I may be late in replying..

 

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[winners58]

Fake news, only the courts can decide between rival claimants,
even in the old days they would have to wait for the judge to make his rounds.
the story is a plant to see who would bite, too many things that they should know is wrong
like mineral trespass, interfering with an active mining operation are one thing
claim jumping is just who has the better paper trail.
if someone files over your claim you just take it to court. its done and over with...

 

[MadMarshall]

What do you mean the story is a plant to see who would bite? You mean AMRA knowingly posted erroneous content? For what purpose.. AMRA has long been a supporter of Kevin and Robert.. So was it posted to trick people into thinking that Mariposa Mining District is valid?

 

[winners58]

I'm thinking something to do with the rivalry between the groups
BTW! until a dispute between claimants is settled you shouldn't remove any claim markers or signs.

 

[Clay Diggins]

Shannon Poe has no active claims named the "Golden Nugget".
There is no active "Golden Nugget" claim located in 2009.
There is no active "Golden Nugget" claim in 3S 12E Section 32.
There are no active mining claims in 3S 12E Section 32 because there is no locatable land anywhere in Township 3S Range 12E.
There is no mining claim named "Jumper" in California.

Maybe that's why the "story is a plant"?

Fake News?

Heavy Pans

 

[MadMarshall]

i dont know.. freakin baffles me. winner58 i have no clue on rivalary and planted stories. from the comments people seem to think it true and mariposa mining district os legit.
truthfully i find it disgraceful no matter the excuse or reason... to think these individuals are goin aroind and sharing thier expertise unchecked.

 

[Bejay]

Ignorance does not create facts.....ignorance only creates confusion. 1872 Mining Law is specific about how contested claim issues are to be resolved. Nothing in it brings forth the BLM. Congressional language dictates limited authority of BLM. Only the court can resolve contested claim issues! But Clay really laid the issue to rest....great info Clay!

Bejay

 

[Goldwasher]

This actually is happening the names and actual locations of the claim that as over-filed have been changed. If you read the comments on the FB page or reach out and ask that info is available.

Aside from the fact that the Mariposa district isn't valid,all the other info is useful to people that may end up in the same situation. In fact funding was never mentioned. It was just a post to share an incident so that members could read about and gain knowledge about this sort of thing.

Many times people tell stories about their claims with out using the actual info. All anyone has to do is contact AMRA with their questions and issues. The reason some people don't is that they don't like the answers they get. It makes it a lot easier to paint the picture you want to see I guess.

Victor decided a long time ago that AMRA was evil everything after that is based on that prejudice. They literally could do nothing right by him. Regardless of the people they have actually helped. regardless of the fact that they are literally doing what they state in their mission statement.

Anyone who isn't out mining for a living is bad for mining, and less deserving of said miner. We have been informed of this over and over.

A real solution if there is actually a problem is to share helpful info with someone who may not have it right. Help those that are helping others. However I understand that once someone has their mind made up it is hard to change it.

Not a single complaint levied here against AMRA has ever improved the situation. None of the attacks or complaints have been fruitful or set "justice" strait. Though the main complainers all two (mm +TT) of them don't really want to help, they just want to bash and elevate themselves in their own minds.

#holierthanthoudayindayout

 

[MadMarshall]

Jarrod . The fact that its true makes it even better.. 7 years and now they find resolution with the Mariposa Mining District.. You got to be kidding me.. the post was done for one reason and one reason only and that's to give Validity to worthless groups like Mariposa Mining District which AMRA completely supports. Whatever .. You call that an informative post I call into question your ethics..

I have since the beginning been against AMRA and always will be.. Many many clubs recreational groups mining activist in Cali.. How often do you hear these others fall from my lips.. But yes there are a certain group of individuals that I chalk up to be conmen and a threat to mining.. AMRA Righttomine miningdistricts.com I'm sure they have other non profit or clubs that they have created but that them in a nutshell.
I have also on a few different avenues tried to get some accountability from these groups by making complaints and I admit nothing has fruited.. So do I quit? Personally I only know one thing to do keep chipping away and finally it will break.. I am not wrong about AMRA and even though you may chastise me in my opinion of the recreational miner believe me when I say I never met a miner worth his salt that even gives groups like amra any thought . Its the recreational miner I wish to stop being taken advantage of..
I know many people who take it upon themselves to help people and without donations and empty promises..
Groups like AMRA don't give individuals the tools to be a successful knowledgable prospector/miner.. In no way shape or form.. but they sure do exploit the individual..

And your dam right I take pride in bein a halfway decent prospector.. It taken work and time and persistence. I do not thrust myself and proclaim to be an expert but I been prospecting long enough to know a Fraud when I see it..

You doing a class at the outdoor show in Auburn, Jarrod?I will be around one day of the show.. How could I miss it?... Been a while since I been in a snakepit...

 

[MadMarshall]

Garrote Gold.
Any man would benefit from any class or presentation Jarrod is willing to give.. he knows his stuff and is a credit to the community.. I was not bein sarcastic in regards to the class as I listen to what he has to say.. my reference of the snakepit was in regards to the hosts of the event.. truthfully places like this event is where individuals like Jarrod are needed the most.. The masses need true reliable honest information.



We may not see eye to eye but that has nothing do with his knowledge..

 

[Garrote Gold]

his presentation in sac did not impress so I will have to take your word on that. Im new here so i havent seen all of his past post or yours, I will check them out because this looks like an ongoing theme about mining the miners and looks like you two have talked about this before....... I think alot of people here trust your opinion, so I will too. I support Amra but seems like they should have listed the true reports and not fake news, especially when all claims are so easily looked up and public.

I dont get it, we agree its up to the court, where is the amra post about serving him documents for court, if its that simple then why not post that process on FB for learning experience, 7 years process for Amra and mining district just does not sound right, right? Thats what Mad Mining is getting at, this is suppose to be the leaders of the small community doing things the right way. Ive never had any issues with neighbors or rock collectors or fishers, hunters, or over filing so it would be nice if any real treasurenet member had a real life experience to share, maybe there is a past post someone can link for mother load over claim issues.

 

[mikep691]

Just FYI: I received a mailing from MMD. A MANDATORY meeting. I'm 200 miles from there. They don't represent me, my area, or any of Northern California. Go AWAY

 

[Johnnybravo300]

Most people in scamra couldn't find gold if they had to. Anyone that would pay $200 a year when they can stake their own claims and pay less isn't too smart. That isn't your gold for that $200 and your name isn't on the claim. What a scam.
Learn to prospect and find your own gold and be successful. You'll never get anywhere digging someone elses gold.
Mining claims aren't meant for club events and playing patty cakes...they are meant for MINING.

 

[Johnnybravo300]

They should just stop with all the fake news and bs stories. Its always something with them and usually a brawl between snowflakes. It may get their unknowledgeable followers pumped up but everyone else is just over it already. Keep those funds rolling in folks. They are the only miners I know that can't operate without your funds haha.
A tear rolls down my cheek.

 

[Goldwasher]

its always interesting to see the real subsantce of these discussions and why there is no unity in the "small scale community" It's because of a small part of the population that has all the answers and just must bash anyone who isn't just like them.

I am not personally involved with this overfile issue though I heard about it a while ago from Amra members. Part of the reason they didn't do anything is that they knew they had the valid claim. It wasn't until the other party wouldn't back off that brought it out. Going to court sucks most claim owners just have to deal with highgrading and overfiling in stride.

If someone over filed me I wouldn't go right to court. I would deal with the over filer first, see what action they will take and move forward. Fact is you can't even call the sheriff for an in field intervention a deputy will not make a judgement based on a date on paperwork on a truck hood.

As I have found out the hard way this year even if you have ample physical evidence. Video of a person with a detector on your claim more than once even. Unless you have actual video of them pulling gold or witness someone digging the sheriff won't do a damn thing, except tell them to leave and not come back. Can't search them and even if they do and find a nugget they can just say it's their lucky nugget that they bring it every time they hunt.

Considering the amount of invalid claims because of overfiling I'm surprised it isn't in court more often.

When I'm done with this I will be in contact with Kevin Bell as the whole district thing is lame and I aim to help him set it strait. If he resists and doesn't want to go about it the right way I will surely let you guys know.

I stand by what I said the Amra post does have useful info for people who don't know how claim jumping happens or what it even is.

Like Victor states he has always had it out for Amra. It is my opinion based on following him from his first post here and from meeting him in person that he is generally against mining law and anyone who owns a claim they don't use all the time. That opinion is based on his own statements attitude and stories told. It has never been hard to see for me.
This is not an attack I always figured he wanted people to know how he felt. Used to say the laws were old and needed changed to match the times. Yet now following those laws and using them with the utmost respect and integrity is paramount...confusing and bi polar to me though I want to give him the benefit of the doubt and let him explain that part of my gripe.

I have recently made friends with a lobbyist. He is a part time political consultant. He has just got into sniping he rafs and we are making trips down the southfork to snipe prime areas. He lobbies for the construction trades and fights enviro issues constantly. He wants to join our fight. So, he is going to help groups learn how to be pro active n the issues to help put money into the right avenues. It is a lot more efficient to reacting and getting dragged through court.

The reason I go to the hearings and workshops and have been involved since 2009 when I was dredging for a living and was made an outlaw is because I'm not gonna sit behind a keyboard ***** whine and chastise and then not actually show up.

It is intersting to be called out for doing such a thing. By someone who wasn't even there no less. Honestly, hell no I wasn't prepared. I couldn't make the other out of town workshops so I showed up to that one. Had no speach ready wanted to see what others touched on then I got up and spoke Ad Hoc and tried not to be redundant yet persistant with the theme of the day. I don't remember a word of it and it was to go on record as calling B.S. on the whole thing. (sb637) my son was there and got to see me stand up for my rights and the rights of others.

So, as mentioned in the post that was rightfully removed I do have two claims on with one partner the other with him and two others. I must say that it is pretty dang cheesy to out someone's claim names on a public forum as part of a personal attack on a fellow prospector. All for what having a different opinion about what people I know are doing, trying to bring the small scale prospecting battle to more of the publics radar.
Claim info is public knowledge yet take some savvy to sort through and I am not the only one who doesn't use my name or just post the claim names on public forums in a verbal attack of another member. The worst part is that attack is essentially carried over to my partners. That was done to put a flag on our claims and it is disgusting. When done by someone who has actually came back to tnet with a different name and is pretending to be new here, man that just takes the cake.

In a thread questioning others integrity even. Very intersting to see the side people take and the weird immature personal jabs. The way people talk about members of clubs. It's one thing to be ahead of the learning curve and not "need" a club. But, bashing members of them. The general statements about people who join pretty distastful.

I seek to make things beter so I will be contactin Kevin and Shannon and just keep doing my thing.

As far as mining the miners. I have given more free hands on help than I can count. My main goal is to get as many people interested in gold prospecting as possible in the hopes of keeping it alive. mainly I sell float tubes, sunglasses, funny trucker hats and night crawlers....sick sick capitalist..gettin rich off of compst worms.
I had a unique oppurtunity to open a prospecting and outdoor store a mile from Sutters Mill. Because of the fact that I have been working solid for the last twenty five years. I decided to strike out on my own and do something I wanted, that would allow me to mine half the year and run a store the other half. With the side benefit of meeting a hell of a lot of cool people. Self financed with my neck stretched right on the chopping block. Not even a chance of exploiting people. I have the best prices in town on anything anyone else carries and when I teach people how to pan or prospect I make some pretty big and wide smiles. Keeping in mind that I am in rubber raft meccha and this place Happiness in Nature - Mother Lode River Center and this https://cods.org/ or this place https://www.sierranevadageotourism.org/content/american-river-nature-center/sie09320ba269b71c15e I'm a member of the chamber of commerce they love me and I'm doing a write up on modern small scale operators for their website right now.

I put myself in a spot to get more actual info out there...especially right here. I'm not gonna just sit on the computer and complain about how others that are actually trying to help are doing it all wrong.

The assertion that rights groups are ruining prospecting and exploiting people is just very far off the mark. The name calling and degrading I see members using against others that they have more in common with than they like to admit is gross and not helpful to any prospector in any way.

Effort put into input and education is much better spent than criticism based on difference of opinion and participation.

Other than certain individuals having random run ins with leo's. I only know one person who is making a point to get right in the face of U.S.F.S, BLM and enviro groups that are dead set on getting even gold panning abolished. his name is Shannon

In the video Toulamne Todd linked that was removed or maybe my later comment. I was saying that once they get the non motorized rule set in stone they will go after stream sluices and then panning. Izzy martin was nodding in agreement the whole time..not kidding I'm talking I noticed and it almost rattled me enought to trip up my mouth diarea ..totally surreal I don't think she even realized she was doing..kinda like a horse with one of those rubber balls in her mouths. head goes up....head goes down.

Anyways it would be nice to run into more than the same dozen who always show(plus the ten new people I meet and the eighty others who actually care enough to show) up to these hearings and workshops discuss openly whta we wish the groups did differently explain what we want to see and what else maybe we could do. Set aside the petty b.s. for an hour or two...But, well, you now I guess you would actually have to show up.

 

[MadMarshall]

you say your gonna talk to miningDistricts individuals and set them straight we will see.. they been doin this crap for years first with MMAC and then on their own.. Be my guest and set these experts straight.. While your at it maybe you can speak to AMRA and ask them to support the actual miner and not these self proclaimed frauds like Kevin and Robert.. You have respect for AMRA and these others well that's you.. Personally I do not and you can chalk it up to whatever you want .. Hate racism sexism whatever suits you. I personally don't care..
Hey man more power to you and AMRA..
But truthfully Jarrod I would find more conviction in your support of AMRA if you were a member.. I mean you are more then willing to praise them and encourage others to support them why not become a member? If they doin great things why not contribute? Or do you find the extent of your contributions to AMRA and their affiliates is " SETTING THEM STRAIGHT" ..

I do not wish to argue with you as it serves little the bickering gets tiresome.. You or anyone else find salvation with AMRA and MININGDISTRICTS.com and the individuals who run it that's your right..
Me I have better things to do..

 

[Reed Lukens]

you say your gonna talk to miningDistricts individuals and set them straight we will see.. they been doin this crap for years first with MMAC and then on their own.. Be my guest and set these experts straight.. While your at it maybe you can speak to AMRA and ask them to support the actual miner and not these self proclaimed frauds like Kevin and Robert.. You have respect for AMRA and these others well that's you.. Personally I do not and you can chalk it up to whatever you want .. Hate racism sexism whatever suits you. I personally don't care..
Hey man more power to you and AMRA..
But truthfully Jarrod I would find more conviction in your support of AMRA if you were a member.. I mean you are more then willing to praise them and encourage others to support them why not become a member? If they doin great things why not contribute? Or do you find the extent of your contributions to AMRA and their affiliates is " SETTING THEM STRAIGHT" ..

I do not wish to argue with you as it serves little the bickering gets tiresome.. You or anyone else find salvation with AMRA and MININGDISTRICTS.com and the individuals who run it that's your right..
Me I have better things to do..

Your constant anti-AMRA rambling, really needs to be taken somewhere else Victor. This is a forum based on helping other miners an Not for people to bash others. Honestly, you should just leave, I'm tired of seeing your constant bashing going on here. Personally I think it's time to ban a few people from here permanently.

 

[Goldwasher]

I just checked my phone and i talked to Kevin Bell for three and a half hours yesterday. To be honest the guy is pretty dang informed on the history of mining districts. He has done serious research. There are certain things I disagree with but it has nothing to do with what he is trying to do.Does he have it all right? Maybe not but it isn't from lack of trying.

It is essentially new territory trying to re staff district or form districts because of what happened to active districs as the industry phased out in California. I got zero impression that he is trying to fool, manipulate or exploit people. If he is wrong about anything it is purely a mistake.

There is more research I need to do. I can say that he is trying to be right for the sake of prospecting and keeping it alive.

Everyone knows I gave him holy hell over the AMP, it isn't a peice of gear for me though it has has its place. prospectors get grief from so many angles that I have been making an effort to back off on my ball breaking. If my vise grip gives him ideas then well atleast my cockiness has a positive side effect

I figure it is better to talk to someone directly and tell them your position and discuss it rather than put them on blast in the forums.

I will come to pretty much any prospectors defense if I see them being hacked on to much or by the wrong person.

the least I can do is show and admit it is a personal opinion. The gear discussion for me is a Chevy vs. Ford argument...shop talk banter whatever you want to call it. If your gonna make claims about something i might just get into the mix...But, really so what its a forum a lot of the times that kind of back and forth is actually educational to the less experience, or at least entertaining.

The AMRA bashing is a personal crusade based on opinion and attitude. Since it is being levied by someone who has questional integrity himself...the irony just makes it to where I just wont back off on that.

The fact is in order for it to be an "argument" Victor would have to presnt a valid one in the first place and it just hasn't happened.

 

[Clay Diggins]

I'm still puzzled why these folks believe they can resurrect or "restaff" a closed mining district. I know how all that nonsense started (years ago in Arizona AAMD) but I've never seen any legal authority to do this. Some states have laws on the books prohibiting attempts to use former mining districts. It's really a silly concept, miners can form new districts whenever they have the support of the local miners. Local miners ARE the district. No need to play games and act like "we were here all along" to gain some credibility.

New mining districts (or any kind of district like fire, water and school districts) have to be formed according to current State laws. I pointed out in another thread some of those requirements in California - other states have different requirements. Trying to duck the current requirements by pretending to be a district of miners who dissolved (and probably died) many years ago is futile. You might as well claim you are the old "restaffed" Enron corporation the concept is the same.

Here is current California law. It's from the Public Resources Code Section 3900-3924 - the mining laws of California. We have a right to inspect the records of dissolved districts because they are now public records. I seriously doubt any County Recorder could or would turn those records over to any "mining district" so they could resurrect the district. You elected the Recorder to keep those records safe and public. Those dissolved mining districts are not in "disarray" they no longer exist. You can't "restaff" a district that has already been dissolved.

3923. This chapter does not in any manner affect or abolish any
mining district or the rules and regulations thereof within the
state.

3924. Whenever any mining district in this state, organized or
created under the laws of the United States, is dissolved, the
officers or custodians of the records of the mining district shall
deposit with the county recorder of the county, in which the district
is located, all records of location notices or other documents
affecting titles to mining claims in the mining district, shown by
the records of the district.
County recorders of the counties shall accept any location notices
and other documents affecting title to mining claims of dissolved
mining districts. Thereafter all notices and documents shall be open
for public inspection.

This all revolves on dissolving a mining district. So what is the legal definition of dissolve?

Dissolve
To terminate; abrogate; cancel; annul; disintegrate. To release or unloose the binding force of anything.
The dissolution of something is the act of disorganizing or disuniting it, as in marriage, contracts, or corporations.

So a "disorganized" mining district is a dissolved mining district subject to this law in California. The mining district books have been closed and entered into the public record = no more mining district. Start your own mining district or go without, the old mining district no longer exists.

I'm all for properly formed and representative mining districts. They could be a great benefit to the miners within the district. Mining districts can establish more restrictive location rules within their district. Overclaiming and higrading can be stopped cold by a properly formed local mining district. That's one of the biggest problems miners face and enough of a benefit to get miners interested in forming a district on their own. The current "reformed" districts haven't even addressed this most important need and yet it is one of the few absolute powers they would have if they were properly formed. There are several other benefits to mining districts but none of that can work in a district without the advice and consent of all the miners. That's why large districts the size of counties have never been successful.

The law not only still allows miners to form districts but it also provides a path for those districts to be legally recognized by other government entities. ALL of this is clearly spelled out in the law. If you want your district to be anything other than a temporary club you need to establish a real mining district that meets the legal requirements of a district in your state and has the support of the miners in the district. Without both of those you are doomed to failure.

The tone of this and the other threads on mining districts here is disheartening. There are several good people trying to do their best for miners. The fact that they are ignorant of the legal requirements and needs of the miners in their proposed districts can be a sore point to many miners but that is no reason to question the morality or motives of the individuals involved. I guarantee you these folks would make more money sniping a gram a day on the American River than they do from these mining district clubs they are trying to convince you to join.

Try doing some outreach with miners and see what your responses are. No sane person would do this for anything but the common good, it's not a pleasant or well paying job. These guys have as much or more moral character than the average person they are just misinformed. That ignorance of the laws and facts is mostly dangerous because it wastes the minimal resources of the small mining community. Please don't abuse the people trying to help you, they need education not personal insults and innuendo. I don't support any of these "restaffed" mining districts but I'm grateful for the people who make this effort and care enough to try to make things better for miners.

To the subject of this post. The quote from facebook begins:

AMRA President Shannon Poe has one of his mining claims illegally top-filed.

A claim AMRA President Shannon Poe (and three others) picked up in 2009 was top-filed by another miner in 2010. This has resulted in a myriad of angry phone calls and is a prime example of how to handle a situation like this.

First of all, whomever files first owns the claim if it was filed correctly.

These are all false statements. So are the other "facts" in the rest of that quote. It is indeed "fake news". If my dog died and I told you my cat died I would be a liar. If AMRA tells you Shannon Poe ... (a bunch of stuff that never happened)... it's "fake news". I do know the facts behind this made up story it's all public record. I don't care if someone doesn't wish to share their claim information on a public prospecting forum, it's publicly available information but I understand and respect the logic for the average small miner. When you are a mining club trying to educate your members and the public about ongoing mining issues the situation is not private, it might be wise to actually show the process you are following rather than making up a fake story. Just one educator's opinion.

The "facts" are not only changed in this fairy tale but several of the statements about mining law show a total ignorance of the law itself. The "first to file" has never been the standard of which claim came first. The BLM has nothing to do with claim disputes and despite the AMRA post the BLM did not "create this mess". Both of those issues are already clearly spelled out in the mining laws. If AMRA wishes to help miners they should start by getting their facts straight - it's right there in the law please read and understand before you try to lead. Anyone following the "facts" in that story will be heading for disaster should they try these "facts" out in a court claim dispute.

All that being said Shannon is one of the best spokesmen I've seen for the small miner. If he would spend as much time reading and understanding the mining laws as he does speaking he might become a powerful advocate. It's up to miners to choose their path. Shannon and mining districts might be a good choice when they truly get organized enough to learn the laws and how best to leverage them. In the meantime you can form your own small districts and look to the long established successful mining organizations. They have a long track record of fighting for mining rights and winning.

Educate Yourself and Prosper!
(and be nice to your fellow miners)

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[goldenmojo]

Claydiggins I understand the concept of too big to be manageable for a mining district. My question is how small of district could be formulated. If it is made up of claim owners would as little as too claims suffice? How would protections from high graders be enacted and enforced?