Actual California Laws - National Monument

[MrGneissGuy]

Hey guys I need to know what the actual current laws are in California, and I'm having a hard time knowing what's real and current and what isn't. A lot information out there is hearsay and I need the truth. What are the current laws regarding mining in a National Monument in California? I'm also curious what the law says about selling small scale equipment within a National Monument in California as well.

 

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[goldog]

There is a lot more "policy" than law involved. Since San Gabriel is new they haven't nailed down what will be the rules.

There are big plans ahead for your area of interest. Generally not good for Prospectors.

 

[Clay Diggins]

National Monuments are Federal so there are no California, or any other state's laws that determine whether you can mine in National Monuments. Federal law and the Act that funded the Monument create the restrictions.

There is no mining or prospecting in funded National Monuments, National Parks or National Seashores with two minor exceptions.

If you are thinking of the new San Gabriel NM there has been no funding or laws passed by Congress. So far the San Gabriel NM exists only on paper. You can't make a claim there but without allocated funds to create rules and regulations to administer the NM the Forest Service hands are tied as far as prospecting or recreational "mining". It really hasn't changed the status much at all.

Don't expect that status to remain. Don't expect you will get support from the State or the courts. There will be pressure from the good citizens of LA to preserve the little bit of land that hasn't already been destroyed for their houses, pools and highways. They need fresh virgin ground to tag and trash and the San Gabriel NM fits that need perfectly.

Heavy Pans

 

[arizau]

"National Monument" says it all. It is federal property and their rules apply, not California. As a general rule no collection of any sort, including down to flower picking, is allowed in National Monuments and National Parks. There may be some old claims that were established prior to park or monument designation but those, to my understanding, are rare at best.

Oops....must have been writing response at same time as Clay.

 

[goldog]

I believe there is still a comment period for the area. Unfortunately the deck is stacked. They talk about mining "pollution" and ignore the real concerns. Trash and human waste. Used diapers make really cool boats.

There is something like a three year plan. Gates, river view trails, designated access points. Much less parking. You'll need to catch the bus at Jack in the Box. Etc...

Mining? That's already illegal so there is not a lot of thought being put into that. (We know that it is legal but by going forward this way the "powers that be" can pretty much ignore our input.)

The hope is that the new administration will reverse the Monument status and restore/preserve our rights.

 

[Assembler]

Hello
Just pointing out that "Metes-and-bounds surveys" are required for national parks and monuments, small-holding claims, private-land grants, forest-entry claims. Go talk to the "Surveyors' that did the "Metes-and-bounds surveys" to find out the details of any "Irregular tracts which are nonconformable to legal subdivisions". Then share the information thank you.

 

[winners58]

if they are made up of National Forest lands, you have to go through the SOPA's
to find out when they are implementing how they are managed or amending the forest plans.
https://www.fs.fed.us/sopa/

the San Gabriel Mountains National Monument Plan and Land Management Plan.
an update is expected 09/2017
https://www.fs.usda.gov/project/?project=46964

San Gabriel Mountains NM draft management plan
https://www.nationalforests.org/ass...tl-Monument-Mgmt-Plan-and-Draft-EA-8-2016.pdf

 

[mytimetoshine]

here we go again lol

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[Assembler]

It is in the details.

here we go again lol

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Yes the "Rush" can happen again when the 'Details' of the "Metes-and-bounds surveys" are more common knowledge. The "Private-land grants, Forest-entry claims" could tell a lot as well.
By the way there is a big difference between "Forests vs. Woods".

 

[arthos]

Some one fill me in on what we are talking about regarding San Gabriel Mountains. Can we still pan and sluice the east fork or not, is that changing?

 

[Assembler]

Some one fill me in on what we are talking about regarding San Gabriel Mountains. Can we still pan and sluice the east fork or not, is that changing?

It appears by looking at the links that much of the area in question is "Surveyed" on Plat maps as National Forest lands with a question about the "National Monument" not being clear unless this one missed something there?
The rules are different for each types of "Surveyed lands" as far as "selling small scale equipment within" goes as well as the 'pan and sluice use' goes as well. Just have not looked at the maps that well.