OPB Idaho Gold Rush Days & Ghost Towns

[winners58]

cool documentary;
Gold Rush Days & Ghost Towns | Outdoor Idaho | PBS

this aired in 2001
the FS and BLM have burned and destroyed a lot of the heritage of the miners, if there's anything left we need to save some of it.

 

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[Assembler]

cool documentary;
Gold Rush Days & Ghost Towns | Outdoor Idaho | PBS

this aired in 2001
the FS and BLM have burned and destroyed a lot of the heritage of the miners, if there's anything left we need to save some of it.

Yes.
One way that this maybe carried out is the lack of the "Execution of Government resurveys".
There is a twofold object of a resurvey: First, the adequate protection of existing right acquired under the original survey in the matter of their location on the earth's surface, and second, the proper marking of the boundaries of the remaining public lands. This is all subject to the approval of the directing authority that may not be properly funded these days.

 

[Assembler]

Yes.
One way that this maybe carried out is the lack of the "Execution of Government resurveys".
There is a twofold object of a resurvey: First, the adequate protection of existing right acquired under the original survey in the matter of their location on the earth's surface, and second, the proper marking of the boundaries of the remaining public lands. This is all subject to the approval of the directing authority that may not be properly funded these days.

The following is a more complete answer:
Act September 21, 1918 Resurvey or retracements of lands. Upon application of the owners of three-fourths of the privately owned lands:
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/65th-congress/session-2/c65s2ch176.pdf

 

[IMAUDIGGER]

The following is a more complete answer:
Act September 21, 1918 Resurvey or retracements of lands. Upon application of the owners of three-fourths of the privately owned lands:
https://www.loc.gov/law/help/statutes-at-large/65th-congress/session-2/c65s2ch176.pdf

Is the deposit amount limited by statute?

 

[Assembler]

Is the deposit amount limited by statute?

Likely it is. Have not looked into it yet.

 

[Assembler]

Espense of Claimants.

Likely it is. Have not looked into it yet.

The following is a start to answer your question:

Extension of Public Surveys Over Mineral Lands. The public surveys shall extend over all mineral lands; and all subdividing of surveyed lands into lots less than one hundred and sixty acres may be done by county and local surveyors at the expense of claimants; but nothing in this section contained shall require the survey of waste or useless lands. (R.S. 2406; 43 U.S.C. 766).
https://www.blm.gov/cadastral/Manual/73man/id20.htm
Survey of Private Land Claims. The Secretary of the Interior or such officer as he may designate shall cause to be surveyed all private land claims after they have been confirmed by authority of Congress, so far as may be necessary to complete the survey of the public lands. (R.S. 2223; March 3, 1925, 43 Stat. 1144; 43 U.S.C. 52).

 

[Assembler]

Government and the petitioners.

The following is a start to answer your question:

The rest of the answer follows:

The total cost of the resurvey of the township is thus divided between the Government and the petitioners in proportion to the extent of their respective holdings.
It is further provided that any portion of such deposit in excess of the actual cost of the field and office work incident to such resurvey of privately owned lands shall be repaid pro rata to the applicants for resurvey or to their legal representatives.
https://books.google.com/books?id=K...page&q=Act June 25, 1910(36 Stat.,884&f=false

 

[IMAUDIGGER]

I shudder at the potential cost of having BLM survey/re-survey a heavily developed section of land...much less a township.
Probably take them several years.

 

[Assembler]

I shudder at the potential cost of having BLM survey/re-survey a heavily developed section of land...much less a township.
Probably take them several years.

Surveyors do it all the time as this is there "Bread and butter" outside of "Tax lots". The "Resurvey" is rerunning the lines and corners of the "Original surveys". "Corner accessories" will help big time.

 

[winners58]

Surveyors do it all the time as this is there "Bread and butter" outside of "Tax lots". The "Resurvey" is rerunning the lines and corners of the "Original surveys". "Corner accessories" will help big time.

No, No they dont... as far as BLM is concerned
43 U.S. Code § 766 - Geological surveys, extension of public surveys, expenses of subdividing
There shall be no further geological survey by the Government, unless authorized by law.* The public surveys shall extend over all mineral lands; and all subdividing of surveyed lands into lots less than one hundred and sixty acres may be done by county and local surveyors at the expense of claimants; but nothing in this section contained shall require the survey of waste or useless lands.
(*the part that was left out)

To just copy and paste from your one source with out looking it up
and then forming an opinion and discussion based on limited knowledge is why no one wants to play with you...

 

[Assembler]

Execution of Gov. Resurveys.

No, No they dont... as far as BLM is concerned
43 U.S. Code § 766 - Geological surveys, extension of public surveys, expenses of subdividing
There shall be no further geological survey by the Government, unless authorized by law.* The public surveys shall extend over all mineral lands; and all subdividing of surveyed lands into lots less than one hundred and sixty acres may be done by county and local surveyors at the expense of claimants; but nothing in this section contained shall require the survey of waste or useless lands.
(*the part that was left out)

To just copy and paste from your one source with out looking it up
and then forming an opinion and discussion based on limited knowledge is why no one wants to play with you...

Thanks for pointing this out. This will help others to research and point out themselves information about "Jurisdiction of Resurveys".

Certain important considerations are involved in the execution of Government resurveys of an entirely different character from those relating strictly to the making of original surveys.....

From any "Manual of Surveying Instructions" as well as "BLM" web pages.

 

[winners58]

we have members on this forum that are licensed surveyors, if there was anything, anything in your insensate postings
that could be used by miners in the real world don't you think they would validate at least some of it, but no, not a peep...

 

[Assembler]

we have members on this forum that are licensed surveyors, if there was anything, anything in your insensate postings
that could be used by miners in the real world don't you think they would validate at least some of it, but no, not a peep...

No real reason to say anything just go read for ones own information from good sources about different "Surveys".

 

[winners58]

why?

 

[Assembler]

why?

Why not? No use today?
If so list all the reasons why in detail for others to look up.

 

[winners58]

no just why?

I'll tell you why, post after post of half an idea that don't relate to the subject IDK
is it meant to dilute a topic or bring discord to this forum? because right now
those are my thoughts that you are just posting to bring dysfunction,
that leaves me no choice but to think you work for some environmental group.
is that right? are you a paid internet shill? post after post after post without answering, the why...


8 posts by you about a survey or resurvey without specifically saying why you think it pertains to the topic
its the same in every thread you post to, post after post that means nothing without the why...
know one knows what you're thinking, use your words and give a full explanation of why this relates.

 

[Assembler]

no just why?

I'll tell you why, post after post of half an idea that don't relate to the subject IDK
is it meant to dilute a topic or bring discord to this forum? because right now
those are my thoughts that you are just posting to bring dysfunction,
that leaves me no choice but to think you work for some environmental group.
is that right? are you a paid internet shill? post after post after post without answering, the why...


8 posts by you about a survey or resurvey without specifically saying why you think it pertains to the topic
its the same in every thread you post to, post after post that means nothing without the why...
know one knows what you're thinking, use your words and give a full explanation of why this relates.

Did not view the entire 56 minute OPB Gold rush days and Ghost Towns. How ever at around 52:20 minutes there is the statement of:

It is hard to keep your mining heritage when you are not working it.

Simple one way of 'Working it' is about "Resurveys". There of course other ways as well. However the information about "Resurveys" is already in place and may cost less without any questions of "Jurisdictions".
There is enough reading that everyone can look at as well.

 

[Assembler]

A certificate or patent is the record evidence of the judgment of this tribunal, and it necessarily follows that, when such a judgment is rendered in a case within the jurisdiction of the land department, it is, like the judgment of other tribunals, vested with judicial powers, impervious to collateral attack. United States v. W. & St P. R. Co., 07 Fed. 948, 15 C. C. A. 90.

The "Certificate" alone tells where the "Jurisdiction" is and the 'Grounds for a resurvey'.
Why will "Mining heritage" of the past carry on if people refuse to address the "Mining history" all ready in 'Place'?