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    Trump announces plan to shrink two national monuments
    By Associated Press
    December 4, 2017
    https://nypost.com/2017/12/04/trump-...nal-monuments/
    WASHINGTON – President Donald Trump is announcing plans to scale back two sprawling national monuments in Utah, responding to what he has condemned as a “massive federal land grab” by the government.
    Trump is traveling to Salt Lake City on Monday to outline his intention to shrink the Bears Ears and the Grand-Staircase Escalante national monuments spanning millions of acres in Utah. The two national monuments were among 27 that Trump ordered Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke to review earlier this year.

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    Thousands of protesters gather to oppose Trump’s proposed reductions to Utah monuments
    Posted 4:25 pm, December 2, 2017, by Paul Murphy, Updated at 10:59PM, December 2, 2017
    Thousands of protesters gather to oppose Trump?s proposed reductions to Utah monuments | fox13now.com
    SALT LAKE CITY -- The Utah Highway Patrol estimates 4,500 people gathered Saturday at the Utah State Capitol to speak out against President Trump’s plan to reduce the size of the Bears Ears National Monument and the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument.
    Navajo Tribe Attorney General Ethel Branch spoke at the protest and said the five tribes who helped create Bears Ears will sue the federal government if any of the monuments are shrunk.
    “This land is special to all five tribes who have come there for prayers, healing and spiritual rites,” Branch said. “I want President Trump to know we will defend Bears Ears together.”
    President Trump is expected to come to Salt Lake City on Monday to announce that Bears Ears will be reduced by 85 percent and Grand Staircase-Escalante will be cut in half.
    Ute Tribe Business Committee Member Shaun Chespoose said he worked hard as one of the Bears Ears commissioners to create the right size for the monument.
    “This monument was the first monument that Native American tribes actually participated in,” Chespoose said. “The five tribes who stood up to protect this are not going to take it anymore. We’re not going to get mad. We’re not going to get angry. We are going to use the law to our advantage.”
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    Zinke to ask Trump to shrink two more monuments
    By Devin Henry - 12/05/17
    Zinke to ask Trump to shrink two more monuments | TheHill
    Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke has recommended President Trump shrink the boundaries of two more national monuments, a day after rolling back protected areas in Utah.
    A Zinke-led study into national monument declarations says that Trump should shrink Oregon and California’s Cascade-Siskiyou and Nevada's Gold Butte national monuments by small amounts.
    Zinke is also recommending Trump change management plans for six other monuments, allowing for additional grazing, ranching, fishing, hunting and other activities in those locations.
    Zinke told reporters Tuesday he is “fairly confident” Trump will accept his recommendations.
    “I will be in the president’s office multiple times going through specifics of it as time passes,” he said.
    Trump on Monday signed proclamations slashing the borders of the Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante monuments in Utah, reducing them by about 50 percent and 84 percent respectively. It represents the largest rollback of monument declarations in American history.
    Environmentalists and tribes have already sued over that decision, arguing the federal Antiquities Act does not give the president the power to reduce previously declared monuments.
    But the Trump administration insists the president can do that, and Zinke said Tuesday that Trump was “absolutely right” to order a review of 27 large monument declarations dating back two decades.
    “The Antiquities Act was designed to protect rather than prevent, and no president, under the authority of the Antiquities Act, has the authority to arbitrarily remove the public from their lands, reduce public access, reduce hunting and fishing and reduce traditional uses, unless those uses threaten the object,” Zinke said.
    “The president was absolutely right in asking for a review.”
    The reductions Zinke announced on Tuesday are smaller than those Trump approved on Monday.
    At Gold Butte, a 300,000-acre monument in southern Nevada, Zinke proposed reducing some of the designated area near a water district used by local residents to allow for repairs and infrastructure upgrades. He said that “we have not drawn out the maps specifically, but it’s a small percentage of Gold Butte.”
    Zinke said federal agencies are still considering what to do with Cascade-Siskiyou, which stretches over the Oregon-California border. Officials believe some of the protected land should be legally set aside for logging rather than monuments, Zinke said, and they’re considering what to do about private land within the monument borders.
    Zinke recommended Trump change management plans for six other monuments. Under his proposal, that could allow for expanded timbering in Katahdin Woods and Waters in Maine; commercial fishing in the Northeast Canyons and Seamounts, Rose Atoll and Pacific Remote Islands Marine monuments; more grazing access for tribes in New Mexico’s Rio Grande Del Norte; and more coordination with the departments of Homeland Security and of Defense around the Organ Mountains-Desert Peaks monument in New Mexico.
    Zinke is also proposing Trump create three monuments: at Camp Nelson, an 1863 Union Army site in Kentucky; the Jackson, Miss., home of civil rights leader Medgar Evers; and the Badger II Medicine Area, a 130,000-acre section of the Lewis and Clark National Forest in his home state of Montana.

    Trump slashes Utah land protections
    By Timothy Cama and Devin Henry - 12/04/17
    Trump slashes Utah land protections | TheHill
    President Trump on Monday shrank two massive, controversial national monuments in Utah, potentially opening thousands of acres to drilling, mining and grazing.
    The reductions erase efforts to preserve the monuments by President Obama and President Clinton, and represent the largest-ever rollback of protected areas in history, environmental groups say.
    Trump signed two proclamations, one scaling back Obama’s 1.4-million-acre Bears Ears National Monument to 220,000 acres – an 84 percent reduction – and another reducing Clinton’s 1.9-million-acre Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument to 1 million acres.
    Both monuments in southern Utah have long been opposed by state leaders. Obama and Clinton created them under the Antiquities Act, which gives presidents authority to unilaterally protect any federally owned area from development, with few restrictions.
    “Some people think that the natural resources of Utah should be controlled by a small handful of very distant bureaucrats located in Washington. And guess what? They’re wrong,” Trump said during a visit to Salt Lake City where he made the announcement.
    “The families and communities of Utah know and love this land the best and you know the best how to take care of your land.”
    Bears Ears and Grand Staircase-Escalante had been at the center of a national debate over monuments and their permanence, fueled by an executive order earlier this year in which Trump asked Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke to review dozens of previously created monuments.
    “Past administrations have severely abused the purpose, spirit and intent of a century-old law known as the Antiquities Act. This law requires that only the smallest necessary area be set aside for special protection as national monuments,” Trump said.
    “Unfortunately, previous administrations have ignored the standards and used the law to lock up hundreds of millions of acres of land and water under strict government control.”
    Trump made the announcement in the Utah State Capitol alongside the state’s entire Republican congressional delegation. Sens. Mike Lee and Orrin Hatch both spoke before Trump, praising his decision.
    “President Trump is many things: he’s the commander in chief, the master dealmaker, and a wildly successful billionaire,” said Hatch, 83, whom Trump is urging to run for reelection next year.
    “But he’s also a man who comes through on his commitments to the people of Utah.”
    Trump has the support of conservatives and industries that want to use the land.
    “We are grateful that today’s action will allow ranchers to resume their role as responsible stewards of the land and drivers of rural economies,” Craig Uden, president of the National Cattlemen’s Beef Association, said in a statement.
    But Trump faced immediate backlash from environmentalists and American Indian tribes who say his actions threaten sensitive, culturally significant areas. They also see it as an attack more generally on public lands and conservation.
    “This is nothing more than political score settling from an administration that doesn’t seem to comprehend the extraordinary value these lands hold for Native American communities and all Americans,” Brian Sybert, executive director of Conservation Lands Foundation, said in a statement.

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    Interior Secretary Zinke rips Patagonia for anti-Trump message
    Published December 05, 2017

    Interior Secretary Zinke rips Patagonia for anti-Trump message | Fox Business
    Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke ripped Patagonia on Tuesday, accusing the outdoor retailer of lying when it wrote on its official website that President Donald Trump stole federal land by reducing the size of two national monuments in Utah by roughly two million acres.
    An angry Zinke called the claim – made in large type on the company's home page – "nefarious, false and a lie."
    Zinke told reporters the land targeted by Trump remains protected because it is still under federal control.
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    There is precedence for the president reducing the size of a monument. Joshua Tree is now a national park of course but along the way it changed shape several times. In one case, specifically to accommodate a mining operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinInColorado View Post
    There is precedence for the president reducing the size of a monument. Joshua Tree is now a national park of course but along the way it changed shape several times. In one case, specifically to accommodate a mining operation.
    It has to be "Surveyed each time to be recognized" this includes the lines of the mining operation.
    Shows how powerful and important the type of "Survey" that is recognized. The "Surveyor has the final say" in any disputes.
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    Recommended shrinking or opening 10 national monuments to logging, mining, or...

    Quote Originally Posted by Assembler View Post
    It has to be "Surveyed each time to be recognized" this includes the lines of the mining operation.
    Shows how powerful and important the type of "Survey" that is recognized. The "Surveyor has the final say" in any disputes.
    Huh? Another semi-random ‘bot post? Or are you just too busy to explain yourself and your thinking a bit?
    Last edited by KevinInColorado; Dec 08, 2017 at 04:17 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinInColorado View Post
    Huh? Another semi-random ‘bot post? Or are you just too busy to explain yourself and your thinking a bit?
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    Just read about National Monuments. Thanks

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    Trump is being sued to stop him from shrinking Bears Ears national monument by 85 percent. Who will win?
    By Todd A. Curry and Rebecca A. Reid December 11
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...=.17960c4617ea
    On Thursday, President Trump announced that he would slash the size of Utah’s newest national monument, Bears Ears, shrinking by 85 percent land that President Barack Obama had declared protected in 2016. In response, five Indian tribes sued over Trump’s move in federal court. The tribes claim significant ancestral ties to this land and oversee the area in conjunction with the Bureau of Land Management. They argue that although Congress delegated power to the president under the Antiquities Act to designate national monuments, it did not give the power to revoke them.

    It may be a good idea to pay attention to what the Indian tribes are taking about in this case.

    Zinke, House GOP escalate feud with Patagonia over shrinking of national monuments
    By Matthew Daly, The Associated Press
    http://www.denverpost.com/2017/12/11...atagonia-feud/
    WASHINGTON — Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke and House Republicans have escalated their feud with Patagonia after the outdoor retailer told Americans that President Donald Trump “stole your land” in his move to shrink two sprawling Utah national monuments.
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    In March 1909 Mount Olympus National Monument was established by President Theodore Roosevelt [Proclamation No. 869, 35 Stat. 2247] embracing 610,560 acres. The primary purpose was to provide a refuge for Roosevelt elk (Personal pride? Historic or scientific interest? You decide.)

    In May 1915 President Woodrow Wilson reduced the size of Mount Olympus National Monument by approximately one-half [Proclamation No. 1293, 39 Stat. 1726]. That was the second time in six years the Monument was reduced in size by a President.

    There have been quite a few reductions in the size of Monuments by Presidents. The last time was when Kennedy reduced the size of Bandelier National Monument in New Mexico. 13 size reductions Proclaimed by every sitting President until Johnson.

    This isn't new. It isn't illegal. Presidents make Monuments by Proclamation. They change Monuments by Proclamation. What's the big deal?

    Congress has used its authority to abolish or to remove acreage from national monuments on several occasions. They have removed 24 National Monuments not counting the one's they changed to National Parks.

    How many of you have even been to Bears Ears or Escalante? The Antiquities Act requires that any reservation of land as part of a monument be confined to the smallest area compatible with the proper care and management of the objects of historic or scientific interest to be protected.

    Bears Ears? Really?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clay Diggins View Post
    In March 1909 Mount Olympus National Monument was established by President Theodore Roosevelt [Proclamation No. 869, 35 Stat. 2247] embracing 610,560 acres. The primary purpose was to provide a refuge for Roosevelt elk (Personal pride? Historic or scientific interest? You decide.)

    In May 1915 President Woodrow Wilson reduced the size of Mount Olympus National Monument by approximately one-half [Proclamation No. 1293, 39 Stat. 1726]. That was the second time in six years the Monument was reduced in size by a President.

    There have been quite a few reductions in the size of Monuments by Presidents. The last time was when Kennedy reduced the size of Bandelier National Monument in New Mexico.

    This isn't new. It isn't illegal. Presidents make Monuments by Proclamation. They change Monuments by Proclamation. What's the big deal?

    How many of you have even been to Bears Ears or Escalante? The Antiquities Act requires that any reservation of land as part of a monument be confined to the smallest area compatible with the proper care and management of the objects of historic or scientific interest to be protected.

    Bears Ears? Really?

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    Excellent points you make Clay Diggins and thanks for posting. Yep it has be done before. Hope the money trail comes out on where it is all coming from.

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    Sigh... Mandatory Survey spew:

    Metes-and-bounds surveys are required to define the boundaries of irregular tracts which are nonconformable to legal subdivisions. This type of survey ordinarily involves the establishment of the boundaries of claims, grants, or reservation, such as mineral claims, small-holding claims, private-land grants, forest-entry claims, national parks and monuments, Indian reservations, lighthouse reservations, trade and manufacturing sites, homestead claims in Alaska, etc.

    It's everywhere. Like mud.

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