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    Bundy trial errors cast shadow on Nevada federal prosecutors
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/b...l-prosecutors/
    But it took only two months for the high-profile case to collapse in court.
    Federal prosecutors deceived the presiding federal judge, repeatedly ignored the law and failed to provide the defense with evidence that could have harmed the government’s case, the court record shows.
    By the time prosecutors started turning over hundreds of pages of documents under court orders after the trial began in November, it was too late to save the case.
    Ammon Bundy speaks out: 'They basically came to kill our family'
    Ammon Bundy speaks out: 'They basically came to kill our family' | KTVB.COM
    "If we allow the federal government to blatantly just disregard the very charter that organized them then what's going to keep them intact on everything else," Ammon Bundy told KTVB on Friday. "It's very important that when we see they are overstepping their bounds - no matter what it is - that we put them back in that box."


    Congress expected to hold hearings on dismissal of Bundy case
    https://www.reviewjournal.com/news/b...of-bundy-case/
    Although the court case against Bundy was dismissed because prosecutors withheld evidence, Rep. Rob Bishop, R-Utah, chairman of the House Natural Resources Committee, has ordered the acting director of the BLM, Brian Steed, to deliver a report on the incident by Jan. 24.
    It is expected that a congressional hearing will follow.
    “The failures in the Bundy case and previous cases display serious misconduct by BLM law enforcement officials, and strongly suggest that there are systemic issues within BLM’s law enforcement operations,” Bishop said.
    Meanwhile, Rep. Raul Grijalva, D-Ariz., the ranking Democrat on the committee, has ordered a Government Accountability Office study on the scale of recent threats and attacks against BLM officials and property. The study is underway.
    Although mistakes were made by the BLM, Grijalva said, using the committee to “beat up” the agency sets a bad precedent and ignores the larger issue of illegal acts by armed men who openly threatened law enforcement officials.
    Cliven Bundy case: How big a problem is prosecutorial misconduct?
    https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justic...ial-misconduct
    Beyond high-profile examples, such as the dismissal 'with prejudice' this week of the Bundy case, the question of how often prosecutorial misconduct occurs now is open to debate – with a former state attorney calling it a “rare event” and a former federal judge calling it an “epidemic.”
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    Bundy's case and his band of genetically malformed individuals brandishing firearms have nothing to do with the fact that he was trying create facts where none existed. Crocodile tears...

    When he declined to pay the necessary and lawful grazing fees, he was compelled by law to remove his cattle from Federally controlled assets. He did decide to deny others, that would have paid the ridiculously low fees, the opportunity to lawfully utilize the grazing area. Sorry to say, the guy was trying to portray himself like Robin Hood, but was really the thief. The public, you, I, and everyone were the victims of his larceny. Him and his ilk were taking us for a grazing fee "joy ride", where he was the perp, not the victim.

    On a different note - One individual in an earlier thread, suggested that the Federal lands be turned over to local control. Yikes! Can anyone imagine the field day the tree huggers and organism lovers would has with that scenario. RE: California's ban on dredges... what's next. Scrap all of your dredges and high-bankers forever or at least bring them to the recycle center for later use as beer cans or energy drinks containers where the state gets a deposit fee (tax).

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    On the other hand , here in Idaho the Feds { epa} essentially shut down dredging. The local authorities informed them that any interference with a mining operation will result in the arrest of the offending agent. We dredge

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    So does the constitution permit the federal government to own land? Yes it does, but there are very strict limitations. Our founding fathers were very specific concerning federal ownership and control of land. Article I, section 8, clause 17 of the U.S. Constitution gives the feds control of 10 square miles of Washington DC. It further states that land within the boundaries of a state may only be acquired if they first have the consent of the state legislature. The federal government is limited in it’s acquisition of land to four purposes, military forts, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings. Nowhere in the constitution does it grant the federal government the power to “own” millions of acres. The so called "public lands" that they currently control must be returned to the states.
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    The only part of this that concerns me are the federal swat teams killing unarmed people. Soldiers can't get away with what they do.
    The courts can handle the bundy drama part just fine haha.
    Last edited by Johnnybravo300; Jan 14, 2018 at 07:38 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncclaymaker View Post
    Bundy's case and his band of genetically malformed individuals brandishing firearms have nothing to do with the fact that he was trying create facts where none existed. Crocodile tears...

    When he declined to pay the necessary and lawful grazing fees, he was compelled by law to remove his cattle from Federally controlled assets. He did decide to deny others, that would have paid the ridiculously low fees, the opportunity to lawfully utilize the grazing area. Sorry to say, the guy was trying to portray himself like Robin Hood, but was really the thief. The public, you, I, and everyone were the victims of his larceny. Him and his ilk were taking us for a grazing fee "joy ride", where he was the perp, not the victim.

    On a different note - One individual in an earlier thread, suggested that the Federal lands be turned over to local control. Yikes! Can anyone imagine the field day the tree huggers and organism lovers would has with that scenario. RE: California's ban on dredges... what's next. Scrap all of your dredges and high-bankers forever or at least bring them to the recycle center for later use as beer cans or energy drinks containers where the state gets a deposit fee (tax).
    There were changes being made relating to grazing continuing in the allotment. Fact is there wasn't much grazing going on. He did what he did on principal and lost. More than once.

    Plus he is a loon

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    Quote Originally Posted by gusser View Post
    So does the constitution permit the federal government to own land? Yes it does, but there are very strict limitations. Our founding fathers were very specific concerning federal ownership and control of land. Article I, section 8, clause 17 of the U.S. Constitution gives the feds control of 10 square miles of Washington DC. It further states that land within the boundaries of a state may only be acquired if they first have the consent of the state legislature. The federal government is limited in it’s acquisition of land to four purposes, military forts, arsenals, dock-yards, and other needful buildings. Nowhere in the constitution does it grant the federal government the power to “own” millions of acres. The so called "public lands" that they currently control must be returned to the states.
    There were conditions when states joined the Union.

    Every agency and the rules they are directed to follow are sent down right from congress.

    There are absolutely "Federal Public Lands" out side of D.C.

    If what Bundy believed were true the 1872 mining law would not exist.

    As the only place it has power is those very lands you and he say do not exist............

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    Some of you people need to wake up. We are not talking about "Public Land." It is very much government land and they will control the way "they" want to.
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    It's been that way for awhile and won't change anytime soon. It's their land and we are lucky to have any access to it. Everyone should be grateful they allow us the privilege.
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    Grateful?? Are you serious??

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    Well, just grateful they allow us access. People don't realize how thankful they should be for the government to give them their rights.

    The feds appreciate 3 months of your wages every year of course, but sometimes they'd also like a thank you hehe.

    Everyone knows freedom isn't free these days....it costs lots of $$$!!
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    Weekenders and flatlanders on vacation run roughshod all over the same desert Bundy ran his tiny little herd in.

    More people use public land than ever before.

    Just now its mainly for recreation and to leave trash and ruin stuff for the of us that have claims and actually use the land as a resource.

    if the states gain control be ready for parking lots and designated areas to pay and play.

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    This is all about Bundy having the biggest hat in town. It is not about him fighting for rights.

    He has ample room and better feed on his land than anything nearby in the desert.

    His neighbor is the same. These guys with long time land holdings have leverage and they use it. Bundy is not getting rich raising cattle. It's not about taking away his way of life he can still do all of it right on his ranch and better.

    Or maybe he can make millions like his neighbor selling water rights for inflated fee's and then pretending it was just doing business.

    There are only 700 grazing permits in Nevada out of the 18k total.

    Bundy not being able to graze on the Bunkerville allotment had zero affect on his operation.

    I feel for certain ranchers out in actual remote areas that use high country grazing part of the year to save money on Alfalfa and water.

    But, Cliven nope... Big hat, big truck,big mouth small brain.

    https://www.google.com/maps/place/36...4d-114.2384833

    https://lasvegassun.com/news/2011/ma...lion-bribery-/

    https://www.reviewjournal.com/crime/...million-bribe/

    Promise you Bundy was hoping to sue back in the nineties and get something out of it.....

    Oh, wait he did and lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnybravo300 View Post
    The only part of this that concerns me are the federal swat teams killing unarmed people. Soldiers can't get away with what they do.
    The courts can handle the bundy drama part just fine haha.

    The only ones shot was the moron Levoy and one of the people he had in the vehicle when he tried to run a roadblock and got out ARMED and was shot by agents with pistols not a swat team or snipers.

    Only two rounds were discovered to be fired by FBI based on bullet holes in the vehicle they did hide evidence and the one agent is facing charges. three by the state police after Levoy got out repeatedly telling them to shoot him. OSP has not been accused of a cover up. FBI has.
    Though screwing up as an agent does not show there was an overall agenda.

    They did fire on the vehicle as it accelerated towards the roadblock.

    Play stupid games win stupid prizes.

    If this had been some crazed urban dweller confronting the state police or highway patrol. the vast majority of commenters here would say it was justified as the perp wasn't following officers commands.


    The whole Bundy saga is lame , they are not heros they are idiots.
    Last edited by Goldwasher; Jan 15, 2018 at 11:19 AM.

 

 
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