Thanks for the reply. I guess you go along with the U.S. Forest Service and their shenanigans as well as expanding national monuments and wilderness areas and road closures. Go ahead and report me to the mods for making a tenuous posting if you wish. Patriot John (VN combat 66-67, not relevant)
I dont think that it is necessary to assume my views based on a single post or a to take such offense at anything I said. Nothing I said even implies what you took from it. In fact what I said criticizes the government for its wasteful misadventures in violating peoples rights and not following its own laws...
I understand this is a very upsetting issue and it upsets me quite a bit too so I hope you can reread my post with a cooler head. Anyone with eyes can see the shenanigans USFS/NPS/etc are up to and how wrong they are... That said the USFS and NPS or even USFWS had nothing to do with the Bundy case as far as I know.
This post is just plain sad, period.
People who live in Florida telling me about BLM issues...that's just good stuff.
The guy didn't pay grazing fees for twenty one years. Because he got butthurt about a land status change and tried to say congress didn't have the right to make the rules it did on public lands. Even though he believed in the Taylor act for years and followed regulations, its all dumb.
They didn't own the land until 1948 and had no pre emptive, pre existing grazing rights because he had Morman relatives in the area at one point. A totally absurd claim and the courts rejected it . It doesn't work that way for any of you why should it for him?
They didn't graze until the early '50's and they didn't do it continuously. Actually pulling more than one permit. Different years.
The guy said he did this because God told him to.
Thousands of ranchers graze cattle using the same system and are just fine with it. Many a successful rancher thinks Cliven is insane, they also are much better ranchers than he is.
There are on average ninety million cattle on the hoof every year. The Bundy ranch has barely ever gone above hobby level.
What they did could have (may still) affect public land users way more than it ever could have helped. Cause it hasn't so far.
There is very little Uranium under Bundy Ranch. No Uranium mining nearby or any claims for that matter...for any minerals. In the Most mined state in the nation.. Where the BLM doesn't need to chase off a rancher for access to it. He has 160 acres of private land right there.
Nevada Uranium mining, mines, mine owners and mine statistics
Nevada Mining Claims
Everything he did had a huge chance to mess stuff up for a lot of public land lease's.
Winning because prosecution screwed up is not a real win. The Bundy clan is very very lucky they got the outcome they did.
if you think they did any of this because they care about YOUR rights you didn't really do your research into the situation and most surely haven't spent as much time in rural cattle country as I have.
They felt entitled plain and simple. The thing in Oregon was absurd.
Levoy was a moron not a here he is lucky he didn't get the others in the vehicle killed.
This kind of thin is the kind of thing that can lead to the Gov. hammering down on firearms.
Plus I still say just because its Blm doesn't make it mining related its cattle related.
The whole thing was way more about chest puffing than rights.
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I don't claim to know everything about this situation, That's what discussions and sharing of opinions/facts, are about.
I have my own perception(s), which may or may not be rooted in fact or opinion, just as you do.
Three sides to every story..... (and there's more to it, than just the above stated mentioned, so there,
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I do know, I've heard many, who have had "not nice" run ins with authority figures in relations to the freedoms of land/mining/fishing/hunting/etc.....
It pains me to know, such officials have such horrible thoughts...... and the lengths.......
Good luck with all that.......
T.C. I'd tell you to shout it from the mountaintops...... and thanks.
