BIG win for Southern California Miners!!!

[Clay Diggins]

I'm surprised the prospectors in Southern California haven't picked up on this.

The Obama administration went on a public land closure spree just after Christmas 2016. The most disturbing of those withdrawals was the withdrawal of the last scattered bits of public land not already under withdrawals for wilderness, military, National parks, wild and scenic sewers, or study areas in the Southern California Conservation Area.

This particular December 28, 2016 withdrawal was literally the last gasp for public lands open to location in the desert conservation area. 1,337,904 (1.3 million) acres were closed in dozens of small areas.

These little bits of land were withdrawn from mining only "to protect nationally significant landscapes with outstanding cultural, biological, and scientific values". Literally some of these areas were parking lots (scientific values?). Virtually all of the area was desert scrub land with the usual 4WD tracks (nationally significant landscape?) and trashy drinking spots (outstanding cultural value?). Only mining was restricted. This withdrawal was the most disheartening and downright spiteful of all the withdrawals made just before the end of Obama's presidency.

The withdrawal is now being cancelled. The 1,337,904 acres will be open to location again on 10 a.m. on March 9, 2018.

It's still out there - go get u sum!

Heavy Pans

 

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[Rail Dawg]

That’s a lot of acres!

Common sense prevails.

 

[Assembler]

As bad as this appears this "Withdrawal of the last scattered bits of public land" was only to be "Temporarily segregates the lands from location and entry under the United States mining laws for up to two years and provides the public with an opportunity to comment on the proposed withdrawal".

 

[winners58]

As bad as this appears this "Withdrawal of the last scattered bits of public land" was only to be "Temporarily segregates the lands from location and entry under the United States mining laws for up to two years and provides the public with an opportunity to comment on the proposed withdrawal".

NO, it was segregated 2 years as part of the process, so they could withdraw these for 20 years.
the comment period is a joke because all of your environmentalist friends will do mass mailings,
diluting any good comments, just like whats happening on this forum with one's posts.

 

[Assembler]

NO, it was segregated 2 years as part of the process, so they could withdraw these for 20 years.
the comment period is a joke because all of your environmentalist friends will do mass mailings,
diluting any good comments, just like whats happening on this forum with one's posts.

The idea that 'Segregate' for a long time "Standing" is not the real intent of the "Law". Reason is a "Mineral Segregation Survey" still happens on a regular time frame and with time limits now. As part of "Mining Law" a "Mineral Segregation Survey" is one which involves a "Metes-and-Bounds Survey" of a body of land classified as mineral bearing, but an area which has not been covered by a "Mineral-patent Survey".
The "Comment period" is a "Period of Public Notice". Some like to refer this time period as a joke as the point is really about a type of "Public Notice".

 

[winners58]

nope, one just posted gibberish
FLPMA sec. 204 or 43 U.S.C. 1714

 

[Assembler]

"Mineral in character" shall be "Noted within a Mineral Segregation Survey".

 

[winners58]

nope, what one is talking about is a dependent survey, for the plat to reflect lands around mines
as mineral retracement and resurveys not to withdraw lands from mining, but to adequately protect
and mark the subsurface rights to the mineral estate. The second is to adequately protect
and mark the surface rights or rights of the landowner. The third is to properly
mark the boundaries of the remaining federal interest lands

 

[Assembler]

"Resurveys"
First, the adequate protection of existing rights acquired under the original survey in the matter of their location on the earth's surface, and, second, the proper marking of the boundaries of the remaining public lands.


"Mine Surveys"
The class of surveys in connection with the leasing of mineral lands, particularly coal lands, where the field work usually consists of a dependent resurvey and partial subdivision of the section of sections involved, a traverse of the main entries of the mine, with ties to the portals and improvements, and the marking of the section and subdivision-of-sections lines within the mine which divide private and public lands.

 

[winners58]

Back to the Topic

if anyone is interested pdf maps of the withdrawal areas now open (red striped areas on the maps)
get them before they disappear;
https://eplanning.blm.gov/epl-front...me=dispatchToPatternPage&currentPageId=106100

 

[Assembler]

if anyone is interested pdf maps of the withdrawal areas now open (red striped areas on the maps)
get them before they disappear;
https://eplanning.blm.gov/epl-front...thodName=dispatchToPatternPage¤tPageId=106100

BLM petitioned the Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Land and Minerals Management to withdraw 1,337,904 million acres of California Desert National Conservation Lands from location and entry under the United States mining laws for a period of 20 years, subject to valid existing rights.

The BLM will use the NEPA scoping process to help fulfill the public involvement requirements under the National Historic Preservation Act (54 U.S.C. 306108) as provided in 36 CFR 800.2(d)(3). The information about historic and cultural resources within the area potentially affected by the proposed action will assist the BLM in identifying and evaluating impacts to such resources.
The BLM will consult with tribes on a government-to-government basis in accordance with Executive Order 13175 and other policies. Tribal concerns, including impacts to Indian trust assets and potential impacts to cultural resources, will be given due consideration. Federal, State, and local agencies, along with tribes and other stakeholders that may be interested in or affected by the proposed withdrawal, are invited to participate in the scoping process and, if eligible, may request or be requested by the BLM to participate in the development of the EIS as a cooperating agency.

 

[Clay Diggins]

The Bureau of Land Management (BLM) has canceled its withdrawal application and the withdrawal proposal relating to 1,337,904 acres of public lands within designated California Desert National Conservation Lands. The BLM has determined that the lands are no longer needed in connection with the proposed withdrawal. This notice terminates the temporary segregation from location and entry under the United States mining laws, subject to valid existing rights, the provision of existing withdrawals, other segregations of record, and the requirements of applicable law, as described further below. The BLM has also terminated the preparation of an Environmental Impact Statement evaluating this application and proposal.

Because the BLM has determined that the lands are no longer needed in connection with the proposed withdrawal, the BLM has canceled the proposed withdrawal and its application in support thereof and has terminated the associated environmental analysis process.

Any questions not related to hairstyles or the price of tea in China are welcome.

 

[Assembler]

Any questions not related to hairstyles or the price of tea in China are welcome.

Any reason stated for the canceled withdrawal application?
Could it have something to do with the hairstyles.......LOL.
Thanks.

 

[Oregon Viking]

let me guess... assembler is going to mention.... surveys 23 times.....

 

[Assembler]

let me guess... assembler is going to mention.... surveys 23 times.....

No need to. "Temporarily segregates the lands from location and entry under the United States mining laws".
Just do not know any of the details yet.

 

[winners58]

Sorry Clay, when one posts and posts with no intelligence, context, or relevance, I can ignore it only so long...

 

[B H Prospector]

Be aware of the so called "for 20 years" BS. What they really mean is for ever. They may even try an end run and try to renew the withdrawal request continually tying up the land so it can't be locted. That is what we are facing in the Black Hills since 2014 and it still isn't over.

 

[Assembler]

Be aware of the so called "for 20 years" BS. What they really mean is for ever. They may even try an end run and try to renew the withdrawal request continually tying up the land so it can't be locted. That is what we are facing in the Black Hills since 2014 and it still isn't over.

The background in "Law" is segregation surveys are required where the subsisting records do not furnish the necessary information for a proposed segregation of mineral claims from the public lands.
The "20 years" is a time frame without "Conflicts" then may be "Forever".

This may be the big reason for the recall of the application. Time will tell.
As this one pointed out before it is in the details. Not all of the details may come out......LOL

 

[winners58]

assembler you are still using the term "segregation" in the wrong context, this is about a "segregative effect"
for filing of a withdrawal application to not allow for settlement, sale, location or entry under the public land laws, including the mining laws,
until the secretary of the DOI finalizes the application https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/43/part-2300/subpart-2310
educate yourself and prosper


meet the Secretary of the DOI

 

[Assembler]

assembler you are still using the term "segregation" in the wrong context, this is about a "segregative effect"
for filing of a withdrawal application to not allow for settlement, sale, location or entry under the public land laws, including the mining laws,
until the secretary of the DOI finalizes the application https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/43/part-2300/subpart-2310
educate yourself and prosper

The idea Winners58 is pointing out is the term “Segregation effect”. The term this one is pointing out is “Mineral Segregation Survey”. The following two terms reflect on the term “Segregation effect”:
Withdrawal
In order to maintain other public values in the area or reserving the area for a particular public purpose or program;
Segregation
Segregation means the removal for a limited period, subject to valid existing rights, of a specified area of the public lands from the operation of the public land laws, including the mining laws, pursuant to the exercise by the Secretary of regulatory authority to allow for the orderly administration of the public lands.