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    New Bill in California

    I know the guy who lobbied the Senator to to help craft this bill

    He is the guy GoldenMojo and I rafted with early summer I posted a thread.

    He used to lobby for the building trades got the fever. I sold him a used bazooka at my shop. We hit it off.

    I introduced him to Shannon Poe. He has decided to start his own firm and lobby for small scale miners


    PRO BONO!!!!!

    Your welcome

    Some typos and wording I'm gonna give him feed back on. It is nice to see some proactive work being done at the capitol on our behalf.

    Bill Text - SB-1222 Use of vacuum or suction dredge equipment.


    Please call your Congressman and tell them you want them to support this Bill
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    What the heck does this bill do to help remove gold on established claims??/
    "This bill would instead provide that the above-described prohibitions and requirements do not apply to, prohibit, or otherwise restrict any equipment that does not transport mineral bearing material through a suction or nozzle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by mendoAu View Post
    What the heck does this bill do to help remove gold on established claims??/
    "This bill would instead provide that the above-described prohibitions and requirements do not apply to, prohibit, or otherwise restrict any equipment that does not transport mineral bearing material through a suction or nozzle."
    By pass the "Mineral deposit / claims / location process" and "Administrate by permission papers" for all dredging.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mendoAu View Post
    What the heck does this bill do to help remove gold on established claims??/
    "This bill would instead provide that the above-described prohibitions and requirements do not apply to, prohibit, or otherwise restrict any equipment that does not transport mineral bearing material through a suction or nozzle."
    Current SB637 wording makes any use of a motor around a creekbed illegal if used for mining, including highbanking, and supposedly at least one drywasher has been harassed under it. The state decided they'd redefine what suction dredging meant to fit what they wanted.

    This new bill, SB1222 would make the suction dredging bill apply to just that, suction dredges. So dredging would still be illegal for the time being, pending the permits, but highbanking would be back on.
    -Robert

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    Quote Originally Posted by winners58 View Post
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    By passing the nozzle is one good idea that has not been talked about very much. Thanks Winners58.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobertF View Post
    Current SB637 wording makes any use of a motor around a creekbed illegal if used for mining, including highbanking, and supposedly at least one drywasher has been harassed under it. The state decided they'd redefine what suction dredging meant to fit what they wanted.

    This new bill, SB1222 would make the suction dredging bill apply to just that, suction dredges. So dredging would still be illegal for the time being, pending the permits, but highbanking would be back on.
    This one is now up on this topic. Thanks for pointing this out to everyone RobertF. Under the creekbed is a different matter.

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    Not to high jack, but additional legislative efforts going on.
    Any constructive comments on this?

    https://www.icmj.com/magazine/articl...endment-3791//
    Last edited by IMAUDIGGER; Mar 05, 2018 at 11:17 PM.
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    All treasures found with permission on private property or on active mining claims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    Not to high jack, but additional legislative efforts going on.
    Any constructive comments on this?

    https://www.icmj.com/magazine/articl...endment-3791//
    Constructive comments can come to light when the wording comes out that is being used. Thanks for the interesting link and keep us updated.

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    so if this bill passes,gravity dredging would be illegal?
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    Quote Originally Posted by spaghettigold View Post
    so if this bill passes,gravity dredging would be illegal?
    Yes, the material still passes through a nozzle.
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    -Robert

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    Quote Originally Posted by spaghettigold View Post
    so if this bill passes,gravity dredging would be illegal?

    I will be speaking with the lobbyist. The wording will get changed. I caught that too. its a mistaken way of wording it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mendoAu View Post
    What the heck does this bill do to help remove gold on established claims??/
    "This bill would instead provide that the above-described prohibitions and requirements do not apply to, prohibit, or otherwise restrict any equipment that does not transport mineral bearing material through a suction or nozzle."

    As the bill is worded now it is being used nad passed down by agencies and their LEO's that any form of motorized mining is prohibited.

    This bill is to put in law a clarification that a dredge is a dredge and a hibanker,crackvac, drywasher isn't.

    We shouldn't have to clarify as we know what a dredge is. BUT... this is the way the other side restricts things.



    Its like banning laser guns..... then saying in the law that a Laser gun is any thing that has a barrel and a trigger.


    Theres a reason the definition of what a "dredge" is was changed at the last minute when sb 637 was being passed through commities

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    Not to high jack, but additional legislative efforts going on.
    Any constructive comments on this?

    https://www.icmj.com/magazine/articl...endment-3791//

    No hijack.. good info.


    Much better than any contribution assembler is going to make in this thread....so annoying

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    Legalese is not one of my strengths. Pertaining to existing laws and the "new bill", .. does the regulation or "ban" on suction dredging mean all miming through a nozel even if it man or nature powered? My understanding is sucker tubes are currently ok even thought they do the same thing as a "dredge" albeit on a much smaller scale and gravity fed larger systems were acceptable?
    The reason i ask is i have designs for a prototype that im hoping is currently legal under existing law. Im trying to walk a fine line and i need better understanding of our existing tyrannical laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mytimetoshine View Post
    Legalese is not one of my strengths. Pertaining to existing laws and the "new bill", .. does the regulation or "ban" on suction dredging mean all miming through a nozel even if it man or nature powered? My understanding is sucker tubes are currently ok even thought they do the same thing as a "dredge" albeit on a much smaller scale and gravity fed larger systems were ?
    The reason i ask is i have deaigns for a prototype that im hoping is currently legal under existing law. Im trying to walk a fine line and i need better understanding of exisisting our existing tyrannical laws.
    This may be answered by what ever wording comes out to start with. Maybe there will be wording to the effect of volume of water. Time will tell.
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