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    Claim Access a historical case history





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    These gubermint employ's need to be called on the carpet by the head of the Department of the Interior for interfering with a legal claim owners access / harassing the claim owner and discrimination !

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    Big question here is : Why the heck is a gubermint agency being told / guided by some wacoenviromental terrorist group and the Department of the Interior chief isn't doing something about it?

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    USFS knows the law. I think they feel these laws are out of date. Their tactic is to impose their regulations and force the claim holders to agree to some outrageous conditions or take them to court. Typical claim holder is eventually worn down, out of money, or dies and the USFS rules.

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    It's not a mining claim. It's private land.

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    Its NOT up to them to decide whats out of date or not! That is for Congress to decide , and they says its O.K. to do. The Secretary of the Interior has the responsibility to CORRECT the department heads of these F.S. people and fire them for putting the F.S. into a possible litigation situation!!!! They work for us Americans! NOT the other way around!

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    The issue of access private land(s) across public lands managed by the USFS or BLM is the issue. Let alone public lands designated to be "Wilderness". There are quite a few issues that arose. Using mechanical equipment to maintain 13 miles of "public way" through "wilderness designation" became controversial. It is interesting that "public ways" do exist through even the "National Parks". "Public Ways" (existing roads) that existed prior to FLPMA are allowed. The whole YouTube series of Emily Camp always reminds me of the anti mining game we see today. The current owner of the property has financial resources to combat the anti group(s). That said: it is interesting to see how the process of combating agencies and anti groups is/has been evolving over the years.


    While the mining claim issue was moot in this instance it is well documented that a mining claim is "real property" in the legal sense. That is yet a whole other can of worms once a claimant takes on the agencies.


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    Quote Originally Posted by russau View Post
    Its NOT up to them to decide whats out of date or not! That is for Congress to decide , and they says its O.K. to do. The Secretary of the Interior has the responsibility to CORRECT the department heads of these F.S. people and fire them for putting the F.S. into a possible litigation situation!!!! They work for us Americans! NOT the other way around!
    The Forest Service is controlled by the Department of Agriculture russau. The Department of Interior can not control or fire the Forest Service.

    Bejay boiled this down to the access issue. That's really the whole crux of the matter. There are many public ways still open in wilderness areas including the Gila Wilderness - the world's first designated wilderness. There is no requirement that public roads be closed in wilderness designated areas.

    IF the Forest Service had played nice and kept the public way open the State and County might have valid zoning or permit issues but since they don't have access to the property there is nothing they can cite as being out of code.

    In my opinion the Forest Service in Oregon has been out of control for years now. Their recent history in Oregon has established them as possibly the worst natural resource managers of all time. Ultimately they will have to be reined in or there will be no more forest for them to administer. They point fingers at miners and loggers as the cause of the decline in their "managed" forests and ignore their own culpability in destroying those forests and a vibrant local economy. The lack of character, professionalism and caring is disheartening.

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    The Northwest Regional USFS Supervisor and I used to have many discussions about the future of USFS timber management. In the 80s the USFS was always in court (9th Circuit) trying to defend itself from the tree huggers who filed suit upon lawsuit halting any proposed timber harvests. The tree huggers got the media and then politicians to side with them. The Regional USFS Supervisor told me, at a lunch he had invited me to back then, that the USFS was going to start to hire and bring in the "greenies" in an attempt to keep the USFS out of court. Needless to say that went tremendously astray and today the Oregon agency is aligned with "greenies" and merely exists in Oregon to protect and enhance endangered anadromous fish. The "anti" timber issue and the "anti" mining issue are almost mere images of each other.


    Like Clay says...their mismanagement will lead to no forests and the "tree huggers" will have caused the demise of the very thing they wanted to protect. Now in Oregon our USFS practices have led to a huge decline in fish habitat and the anadromous fishery is declining year by year. No additional thanks to the ODFW (Oregon Dept of Fish and Wildlife) who also aligned themselves with the "greenie" groups in Oregon.


    Thus we can easily relate to the Oregon dredge ban and "motorized placer mining ban" that the 9th just upheld for Oregon. There is no common sense to such matters. Claim access is still a contentious issue we will have to face.



    Bejay

 

 

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