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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    Worked/played in the woods all my life.
    Never had a bad experience with a black bear.
    They have always been scared.
    I have seen videos of angry bears.
    They are a powerful killing machine if they are inclined to act that way.
    Fight or flight..they usually pick flight.

    Usually they are more concerned with rolling the next rock over or breaking the next log in half.

    I occasionally carry a .45 ACP and it does make me feel better.
    The lack of penetration is a problem. I feel better with a .357 mag. even that is under powered.

    Once walked up on two very small cubs. They looked like puppys.
    Immediately retreated as fast as possible. Never saw momma bear but I know she was close.
    That's the reason I run the Hornady.

    Its a lighter bullet +p load. The bullet is designed to go through glass, sheet rock, car doors. heavy coats etc. But expand on solid mass.

    The FBI uses it.

    1000 fps is much faster than a ball round. Puts it pretty close to stock .357 magnum.

    1911 is picky on hollow points. I only had to polish the front ramp a little. Feeds just fine.

    If anyone uses a lever gun they should the Hornady Lever evolution ammo https://www.hornady.com/ammunition/leverevolution#!/ . it is similar you can carry a very respectable round in your .357 pistol and carbine.

    1140 fps @ 100 yards out of an 8" barrel that's a deer load out of a pistol. Good stuff.
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    A black bear is a stout animal compared to us relatively fragile humans. What you need most to kill a bear is penetration, not expansion. The size of the hole don't make a bit of difference if you can't hit something vital and if you really need to stop a bear the vital part that you need to hit is the brain. A bear's skull is very dense compared to most creatures. If you have your heart set on a pistol use FMJ bullets, IMO.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckshot View Post
    A black bear is a stout animal compared to us relatively fragile humans. What you need most to kill a bear is penetration, not expansion. The size of the hole don't make a bit of difference if you can't hit something vital and if you really need to stop a bear the vital part that you need to hit is the brain. A bear's skull is very dense compared to most creatures. If you have your heart set on a pistol use FMJ bullets, IMO.
    These rounds are designed to penetrate then expand.

    I killed a racoon about two months ago.

    It was under the shed with my dog the fight would break for a second but,would not stop. Racoons will kill a dog. this one was 25 pounds at least.

    When I took the first shot it went through the racoon through a 4x4 pier both sides of a metal fertilizer spreader. finally stopping on the adjustment tab.
    ( there was nothing on the other side but hill and trees it was a safe shot)

    It took two more shots because racoons are the devil and yes there vital area is small. I had him held down with a pitchfork for shot 3 and he still didn't want to die even though he was mush on the inside.

    Killing pigs for slaughter we always drop them with a 45. acp right center skull. Pigs Heads are hard as heck too.

    Seems like all wild animals are thick as a brick. I've seen a lot of big animals dropped with one shot. I've seen a few act like it was nothing.

    Hundreds (and more) bear have met their end from a pistol shot.

    That's why I picked a round that penetrates deep with a large wound channel.. Blow up it's snout.. shatter its orbital socket. I don't care all effective.

    Obviously not a situation I want to be in but I have put a lot of thought into it.

    I am never going to be sold on bear spray. I feel that the most likely out come is me coughing ,spitting and blind listening to El Oso tie on his bib getting ready to eat me. Even if I'm all spicey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnybravo300 View Post
    I cant watch the video but most times dogs and warning shots are enough, there are exceptions of course. Same as with anything.
    Dogs and warning shots wont ALWAYS keep you safe, no. They are only tools that can help and there aren't any guarantees that it will work everytime, situations can vary same with anything.
    Still it's better to be prepared and use any resources at your disposal to avoid the situation and give yourself a chance.
    No need to watch these I posted, just go to YouTube and search “bear attack”. Lots of exciting videos showing angry bears.

    Watched one (that resulted in a dog and two men being killed by a sow).
    The barking dog;
    1.) Alerted the Sow that her cubs were being attacked.
    2.) Led her quickly to the confrontation area.
    3.) Heightened the perceived threat level.
    4.) Led the charging sow directly to the men when the dog retreated.

    I watched others where the dog served to chase off the bear once it decided it was not going to fight.

    Most of the time bears are no problem. Watching angry bear videos does serve to strip any sense of security you might have carrying a gun, especially a small sidearm (regardless of the fancy ammo).
    These creatures can be crazy fast. Watched one vid where a guy is trying to outrun a large brown bear on flat ground while riding a mountain bike. That bear had very little problem keeping up.
    Statistics show many fatalities when a sidearm was present, but was never even unholstered.
    No getting around the fact that on very rare occasions, it can be dangerous for humans.
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    Quote Originally Posted by firebird View Post
    I went back yesterday to the gravel area that I had posted about in another thread. Immediately I noticed a nasty smell and just right around the paydirt area was the unmistakable sight of black bear poop. Oh crap, now I finally understand why I was finding gold here and why it hadn't been taken by anyone else before. Have you ever had any experiences with dangerous animals while prospecting?
    yea ! they're called people. and when they come too close. i give them an evil sneer and they go away. hope this helps ?
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    Also please note just how fast that bear is moving before and after being shot. They sprint and run at from 25 to 30 mph and go from zero to 25 to 30 in an instant! Being prepared is important at all times as ANY animal moves quite fast and any animal is strong I mean they exercise all day long 365 days per year when they are awake and food is whatever they find or kill and we just happen to be meat as far as a hungry animal is concerned. All animals are beautiful to look at but even a banana slug can make your day uncomfortable!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 63bkpkr View Post
    Steel cable system requires two food bags, one for each end of the Paracord over one or the other pulley. The bottles have easy to remove lids and the bottles are filled with cayenne pepper for making an up close attacker think twice about continuing its assault on me. As a precaution, the pepper can be sprinkled on the ground all around one's camp as any nasal oriented animal will inhale it should they come across it. I've been charged by bears and a variety of other animals Including A DOG Pack, I think the dog pack was the worst as there were simply more of them coming from different directions. Yes, one of the dogs bit me though one shot from my noise maker (454 Casull) ended the attack and no I did not shoot the dog though I really wanted to. However, if any kind of Canine Pack (dogs, coyotes, wolves) ever came in on me I will Not hesitate to shoot one or more of them!! I will not hold back from shooting for a single second as I now understand how it works, they will not give up!

    300 grain slug flinger, I've Zero interest in dropping any animal but if it comes to one of us surviving then it will be me! Also, the country I'm usually out in has a large bear population and a lot of them are Very Large black bears, 400 lbs and up...........................63bkpkr
    I've had the fun of dealing with a pack of timbershepards out small game hunting. Grandpa had my back with the shotgun, as I did the dirty work with the Mini-14. Dropped six before the pack broke and ran. Then the owner came out and found out what his dogs were up to in the National Forest, went back home and shot the other 8.

    With black bears, the closest I've come was, coming home on the moped to find 2 cubs on the front porch of the deer shack. I dumped the moped, and bolted inside, and as I closed the interior door, mom pounded the wood shed door behind me. Then mom and the cubs tore the big metal cooler apart that was on the porch, and scattered it all over the yard. So much for all the fish! In the Guard, I couldn't make out what the ordinance unit behind us was shouting about. Then I saw the black bear running down the path I was on. He stopped at 10', and then bolted away towards the refuelers. One of our OH-58's was just coming in and saw it and chased it out of our area. But standing there face to face with an empty M16 is not where you really want to be.

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    One big problem with pepper spray is once it is used, the smell will attract bears. Can't use it around a fixed camp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwasher View Post
    These rounds are designed to penetrate then expand.

    I killed a racoon about two months ago.

    It was under the shed with my dog the fight would break for a second but,would not stop. Racoons will kill a dog. this one was 25 pounds at least.

    When I took the first shot it went through the racoon through a 4x4 pier both sides of a metal fertilizer spreader. finally stopping on the adjustment tab.
    ( there was nothing on the other side but hill and trees it was a safe shot)

    It took two more shots because racoons are the devil and yes there vital area is small. I had him held down with a pitchfork for shot 3 and he still didn't want to die even though he was mush on the inside.

    Killing pigs for slaughter we always drop them with a 45. acp right center skull. Pigs Heads are hard as heck too.

    Seems like all wild animals are thick as a brick. I've seen a lot of big animals dropped with one shot. I've seen a few act like it was nothing.

    Hundreds (and more) bear have met their end from a pistol shot.

    That's why I picked a round that penetrates deep with a large wound channel.. Blow up it's snout.. shatter its orbital socket. I don't care all effective.

    Obviously not a situation I want to be in but I have put a lot of thought into it.

    I am never going to be sold on bear spray. I feel that the most likely out come is me coughing ,spitting and blind listening to El Oso tie on his bib getting ready to eat me. Even if I'm all spicey.
    Choice is always king: here's an article on the effectiveness of spray; that's why I carry it most https://adventure.howstuffworks.com/bear-spray2.htm of the time.

    All the best,

    Lanny
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    Here's a really neat article on bear attack handgun efficiency via real life results. https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/def...#axzz5YN2sD92V
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    I'll jump in here to just say that people are much more of a problem than any bear problem I've ever had and to get back to the original post and echo what others have said, find out what you need to do to dissuade bears from hanging out in your area; as well, keep your head on a swivel and try not to be out there alone.

    Furthermore, I hope you find some good gold while you're at it.

    All the best,

    Lanny
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lanny in AB View Post
    I'll jump in here to just say that people are much more of a problem than any bear problem I've ever had and to get back to the original post and echo what others have said, find out what you need to do to dissuade bears from hanging out in your area; as well, keep your head on a swivel and try not to be out there alone.

    Furthermore, I hope you find some good gold while you're at it.

    All the best,

    Lanny
    Head on a swivel, I love that! I stand up every 15 minutes or so and do a 360 looking for anything moving or out of place. The whole idea that there is something to be aware of, two or four legged as well as environmental, actually makes the experience better. I was an adrenaline junky when I was young and though I don't like it in high doses like I used to, I still have a taste for it. I like the fact that I'm not in a secure environment with known surroundings, I like the fact that I need to keep my wits about me or the day could go to hell, I like it, it makes me feel alive. I probably would not prospect if it were not for the fact that everything could go wrong, has a good chance of doing so and I personally have 98% control over whether that happens or not. I love to find gold but if there was no risk, there would be no personal reward, that spiritual feeling when you reach the vehicle and home and feel you have lived to prospect another day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Asmbandits View Post
    Here's a really neat article on bear attack handgun efficiency via real life results. https://www.ammoland.com/2018/02/def...#axzz5YN2sD92V
    The stories were interesting.

    What I took away is that if you are going to carry a handgun, you might leave your pistol at home and instead bring a high power revolver.

    I think the author of that article would have a difficult time grasping that concept, which is odd considering his background.

    It would have been more useful to analyze the data and look at bullet weights, energy, and number of center mass hits that were necessary to drop the bear.
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    Roy was up on the edge of his property tending his fence line, when out of the brush she was a coming straight at him with her ears back. Roy drew and put 3 rounds of 230-gr FMJ in her neck shoulder area, then took off away from the trail about 5 yards. Roy said the bear was still coming at him, and he fired 3 more rounds into her frontal area. And again took off another 5 yards off in another direction. The sow continued to follow coming at him, so Roy fired 3 more rounds into her frontal area and she dropped taking a dirt nap.

    That’s very borderline failure. Scary stuff.
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    I thought I'd share an East Coast perspective. Here in New Jersey we live with frequent visits from black bears. Apparently our bear density is pretty high (I'm told we have the most black bears per square mile).
    In my town we see them a few times per year, but I've only read of them attacking and killing miniature horses (3 of them a few years ago). Never heard of a run-in with humans, though they've scared a few families. Check out this story about a bear swimming in a NJ pool (this wasn't too far from me):

    https://abc7ny.com/news/bear-goes-fo...-pool/1392805/

    Here's video from my own back yard:


    And a picture of the latest one crossing through the cul de sac earlier this year:
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    I really don't have a point to my post, other than to share a different perspective. Out here in the East I think the bears are less of a concern because they're more acclimated to living around humans.

    - Brian

 

 
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