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Thread: Washington miners, its time to speak up!

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    Just Another Old Guy

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    Washington miners, it's time to speak up!

    Here's the website with the proposed changes to mining and dredging,
    For what it's worth send them your comments but I think it's all a done deal already.

    https://wdfw.wa.gov/licensing/hpa/rulemaking/
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    Mike , from what I've learned about the W.D.F.W. you are right ! They have to request the publics comments BUT this department don't care what you think!
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    Make America Great Again

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    also SB5322 if you are in Washington you can comment on this bill (comments on the right side of page)
    it will implement an NPDES with no dredging in rivers with ESA listed fish (like Oregon & Idaho)
    https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?B...19&initiative=

    you can watch the last hearing on this bill (starting at 1:07)
    https://www.tvw.org/watch/?clientID=..._GfOGXWR77PA88
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    I will say it seems good at least that they're going to make them open to multi-site HPAs not just one for every place you want to dredge, also there's a note about dredging being authorized for beaches. I don't think that was allowed before.

    But I'm not saying it's anything close to good.
    Last edited by OwenT; Mar 14, 2019 at 11:30 PM.
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    From what I read it is about dredgers, there is a way to defeat them, back in the mid 1990's my friend and partner decided to file for an HPA for all rivers on the west coast of Wa., because of that the WDFW changed the Gold book and rules for dredging, it was hilarious as he explained why he wanted to dredge on rivers that have no gold to the state reps of the area, I can still remember what he told me what he told them as they questioned him why "Look at the inside turn of that river, it has to have gold " that was Otis. An HPA was required back then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winners58 View Post
    also SB5322 if you are in Washington you can comment on this bill (comments on the right side of page)
    it will implement an NPDES with no dredging in rivers with ESA listed fish (like Oregon & Idaho)
    https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?B...19&initiative=

    you can watch the last hearing on this bill (starting at 1:07)
    https://www.tvw.org/watch/?clientID=..._GfOGXWR77PA88
    Thanks for the link.

    1:11 she says "Nee-ah-pee-kwa River". Obviously th Napeequa, I always said it "Nah-pee-kwa" is that wrong or does she have no idea what she's talking about?
    1:12:50 Go Matt Shea! They're not all completely ignorant.
    1:13 Crystal Elliot anknowledges that dredging removes mercury from rivers, 1:14:20 doesn't even know what methylation is.

    Matt Shea also mentioned these studies from WA Dep of Ecology
    https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/publicat...ts/1103003.pdf
    https://fortress.wa.gov/ecy/publicat...ts/0903123.pdf
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    Just Another Old Guy

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    Yeah OwenT, beaches are open to dredging but I have never seen anyone do it and there are almost no locations that have both enough water safely available plus a good deposit of black sand nearby worth the effort, but I wish there was
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    PLP has it up on their FB now (their main way to spread the word) "They are referencing the phony CA SEIR from 2011 in their documents!"
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    Just putting it out there, its says on the WDFW website that "Fish and Wildlife Commission will hold a public hearing Friday or Saturday April 5 or 6 at the Natural Resources Building in Olympia, WA., to listen to oral public testimony - check the agenda for specific day and time". That would be tomorrow or Saturday.
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    Just Another Old Guy

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    I'm working graveyard both days or I'd be there. We'll see what happens next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winners58 View Post
    also SB5322 if you are in Washington you can comment on this bill (comments on the right side of page)
    it will implement an NPDES with no dredging in rivers with ESA listed fish (like Oregon & Idaho)
    https://app.leg.wa.gov/billsummary?B...19&initiative=

    you can watch the last hearing on this bill (starting at 1:07)
    https://www.tvw.org/watch/?clientID=..._GfOGXWR77PA88
    Also Montana(ESA)....can't even sluice in some rivers= bull trout. That drove me to detecting instead and doing much better...…

    Pretty sad what's been happening in this country...…...
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    from the WDFW executive session April 5th
    presentation; https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/fi...esentation.pdf
    Rule changes; https://wdfw.wa.gov/sites/default/fi...21_summary.pdf
    Last edited by winners58; Apr 07, 2019 at 10:41 AM.
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    Make America Great Again

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    The NPDES permit bill is dead. http://lawfilesext.leg.wa.gov/bienni...s/5322-S.E.pdf

    from>>>> Resources Coalition Org
    Ok people this is the only post you need to worry about when it comes to SB5322.....
    The bill never made it off the floor by the cutoff date.
    Therefore the bill is dead for the year and retains status for the next legislative year.
    For those FEW that helped out being in Olympia and testifying, thank you very much
    Last edited by winners58; Apr 23, 2019 at 01:23 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OwenT View Post
    Just putting it out there, its says on the WDFW website that "Fish and Wildlife Commission will hold a public hearing Friday or Saturday April 5 or 6 at the Natural Resources Building in Olympia, WA., to listen to oral public testimony - check the agenda for specific day and time". That would be tomorrow or Saturday.
    YEP they are required by law to have these hearings BUT NOT REQUIRED TO LISTEN OR ACT FAVORABLY ON THE COMMENTS !
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    Quote Originally Posted by russau View Post
    YEP they are required by law to have these hearings BUT NOT REQUIRED TO LISTEN OR ACT FAVORABLY ON THE COMMENTS !
    Yep....just another formality they have to go thru before they add more restrictions...……..
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