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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silveraith View Post
    That's what excavators are for. A trained operator can do in 3 minutes what would take a day's worth of pick & shovel work.
    Cant tell you how many times I wished I could be using an excavator instead of a pick and shovel

    Out here it's 50 to 100 miles minimum to anywhere. No way renting and hauling in an excavator would be cost effective, not to mention filing a NOI and a POO and then there's the reclamation bond.

    Get used to the pick and shovel while prospecting BLM or National Forest land, otherwise you will be in for a costly and time consuming venture.

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    Last edited by Goodyguy; Jan 29, 2020 at 10:00 PM.
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  2. #32
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    The POO isn't hard to get. Might take a couple months & you can do it yourself. The reclamation bond is refundable when reclamation is finished. Not a problem.

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silveraith View Post
    The POO isn't hard to get. Might take a couple months & you can do it yourself. The reclamation bond is refundable when reclamation is finished. Not a problem.
    Of course you do it yourself, and while you are waiting for all that, the pick and shovel already did the job and moved on to the next site.
    I think we are talking two different operations here. A one man prospecting operation vs a crew working a mining operation once the prospecting is done.



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  4. #34
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    A pick & shovel can't dig up ground 20 ft below the surface for testing.

  5. #35
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silveraith View Post
    A pick & shovel can't dig up ground 20 ft below the surface for testing.
    I've been more than 20 feet deep with a pick and shovel but that was after the testing was done.
    Using an excavator just for testing out here is just not cost effective nor feasible getting it in to most locations.

    Look, like most of us here I know what excavators can do and I know how to file poo's and that the reclamation bond is refundable and I am well aware of what a pick and shovel are capable of, so.....

    Please try to refrain from giving out any gold prospecting advice until you have used a gold pan at least once.....
    Just sayn'

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silveraith View Post
    That's what excavators are for. A trained operator can do in 3 minutes what would take a day's worth of pick & shovel work.
    Awwww Charlene your the cutest helper ever!!

    Too bad you have to punch through a mile of brush to get to these spots. Excavators don't have wings and I'm not waiting for a permit to get an excavator to a canyon I can walk too.

    Maybe at this point its best you mind your own business . I know your gonna have the urge to spin some yarn on what you would do...but, your not here so just don't.
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  7. #37
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    Getting a POO & some digging equipment in place is a valid option. It is not that hard to take an excavator through brush & can clear it's way through the difficult areas easily. Once in place the amount of testing that can be accomplished in a relatively short time is worth the wait for the POO. Something to consider in addition to hand digging. You see, i'm really not as inexperienced at mining as you may think.

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    Interestingly I just found out that miners have been digging some very big and very deep holes with little more than a pick and a dirt scoop for thousands of years.

    Who'da thunk it?

    Stranger still is the fact that they stop mining on TV when their powered equipment breaks down. Must be some pretty poor ground if you can't make a day's wages without moving dozens of yards a day through expensive powered equipment.

    In my experience a small miner needs 3 gram yards on average to make a go of a deposit ... except on TV.

    Heavy Pans

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwasher View Post
    Awwww Charlene your the cutest helper ever!!

    Too bad you have to punch through a mile of brush to get to these spots. Excavators don't have wings and I'm not waiting for a permit to get an excavator to a canyon I can walk too.

    Maybe at this point its best you mind your own business . I know your gonna have the urge to spin some yarn on what you would do...but, your not here so just don't.
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  10. #40
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    All a matter of time. I was told on a previous post a man can't dig very many yards. Now it has changed that he can? God invented hydraulics for a reason. Three gram yards are not that easy to come by.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silveraith View Post
    All a matter of time. I was told on a previous post a man can't dig very many yards. Now it has changed that he can? God invented hydraulics for a reason. Three gram yards are not that easy to come by.
    Boy aint that the truth

    That's the whole point! It's just not cost effective or time efficient to find unclaimed ground, make a discovery, file and stake a claim, then file noi, then poo, put up a bond, wait on an approval, rent or buy, then haul and fuel an excavator, just to test some BLM ground that you think, or have good reason to believe may contain some AU values.

    Of course testing a patented claim for purchase with relatively known values is a different animal altogether and may well be worth the cost of using an excavator for testing. A patented or deeded claim will not be subject to all the BLM red tape and will be governed by 1872 mining laws only.

    Hope this helps,
    GG~
    Last edited by Goodyguy; Jan 30, 2020 at 09:33 AM.

  12. #42
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    Man some here are so quick to bust out the big gun machinery!

    My brother and I finally find some sweet spots and we're just now up to jackhammers lol. We won't rent the big stuff for maybe a year?

    Learned long ago to put the ego aside and listen to those that know what the hell they're talking about. Every saloon in Nevada has the loud-mouth miner who thinks he knows everything. I like the quiet guy in the corner who finally decides to share some secrets once he gets to know you.

    Now THAT is gold lol.

    Chuck

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    Man what a joke, a lot of gold bearing ravines and canyons it wouldn't be feasible to take an excavator out to, I know a few where it would be physically impossible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by N-Lionberger View Post
    Man what a joke, a lot of gold bearing ravines and canyons it wouldn't be feasible to take an excavator out to, I know a few where it would be physically impossible!
    Yep. I cruise right along. Find hots spots clean them out.
    Much better profit margin. The ground that requires more involved digging gets treat differently and in Ca. To get everything together to actually profit.

    Takes a lot of patience. Plus a very good spot to bother with a lot of the hassle.

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