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  1. #16

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    Keep in mind that the US Solicitor General stated in his recommendation that the State of CA will soon issuing dredge and water permits so in part the Reinhardt cause would be moot and that SCOTUS should not hear the case.

    Here we are in 2020 and CA hasn't lifted a finger to even invent the process, let alone issue permits. With another case before the court, and one they are taking some interest in, they thought they need to do "something". They have had this in the drawer for the longest time and needed to finally send it out
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    Quote Originally Posted by brianc053 View Post
    It does seem like either the minimum annual fee is $1,949 (under the "dredging" section) or the application fee would be $1,949 and the annual fee would be $260 (if recreational/small scale gold dredging could be considered a "Low Impact Discharges" form of dredging).
    I got excited and started already thinking about a road trip from New Jersey to California when I first read that they were considering ordering a permit.
    Now, looking at those fees, I'm not so sure.

    I wonder if a club could apply for one permit and have multiple people dredging under that single permit? They seem to be focused on limiting "annual dredge volume in cubic yards", which would imply that as long as the club's total dredge volume was under the limit it might be OK.
    I am basically a recreational prospector . These fees , if they are correct for a small time rec. guy like me , are not very practical. I guess its just another way of keeping our dredges out of streams and rivers . That statement is music to the ears of enviros and no doubt many of the state of Kalifornia employees. Just make it too expensive and they will not dredge ....... If I remember correctly , the last time I purchased a dredge permit (way back when) it was like $120 ??
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    Take a look at the map I posted..the areas that would be open to dredging are areas not shaded...
    Being that areas with historical mining are excluded..my bet is regardless of the price, no place will be open that you would ever care to spend time dredging much less spend $ on equipment and fees and expose yourself to liability of the Tribes snapping photos while you dredge.

    Bet your money they will follow up on every notification and "monitor" what your doing. Since they will know when and where you will be working it will be easy. Especially in the Salmon/Klamath rivers where this all started.
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    The only good aspect of this Covid-19 disaster is the casino that was to fund these lawsuits is shut down.
    I can only pray that my tax dollars are not being spent on bailing out the casino.

    Farmers watering their fields...the ranchers feeding their cattle..the loggers cutting logs...the truck drivers..the fuel companies..the parts houses...the tire shop...the mill workers...the fishermen..they all are probably grateful along with the miners that the casino is closed.

    Not many people fully appreciate the impact these lawsuits have had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggler View Post
    I am basically a recreational prospector . These fees , if they are correct for a small time rec. guy like me , are not very practical. I guess its just another way of keeping our dredges out of streams and rivers . That statement is music to the ears of enviros and no doubt many of the state of Kalifornia employees. Just make it too expensive and they will not dredge ....... If I remember correctly , the last time I purchased a dredge permit (way back when) it was like $120 ??
    Never call yourself a recreational prospector, you have no rights when confronted by the authorities, as a miner you have. So when confronted state you are miner.

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    Remind me again the difference between existing and proposed prohibitions...?
    Am I the only one who apparently thinks slowly?
    Isn’t the entire state prohibited at the moment (for the last 11 years)?

    I HOPE someone brings this insanity to their attention in a rude but brutally honest fashion.

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    Tell you what..miners are the last people I would want to be standing in front of when they have all had enough. Historically it doesn’t turn out well and now isn’t the best timing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    Take a look at the map I posted..the areas that would be open to dredging are areas not shaded...
    Being that areas with historical mining are excluded..my bet is regardless of the price, no place will be open that you would ever care to spend time dredging much less spend $ on equipment and fees and expose yourself to liability of the Tribes snapping photos while you dredge.

    Bet your money they will follow up on every notification and "monitor" what your doing. Since they will know when and where you will be working it will be easy. Especially in the Salmon/Klamath rivers where this all started.
    I did look at the map ……. I also have a list of rivers/ creeks that that are excluded from being dredged . One of those places is on one of two of my gold producing claims . I don't dredge there , I siphon sluice without a motor. This exclusion list a HUGE list...……
    This is a fight on SO many levels . They want to make it super expensive to "possibly" dredge in places where it makes no sense to dredge …… seems that way to me anyway.
    But if we must ….lets go down with a fight . This fight is in the best interest of the USA.

    VOTERS have let this happen.
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    that's ridiculous. Why even have a permit when none of the areas "allowed" have gold.
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    Quote Originally Posted by winners58 View Post
    that's ridiculous. Why even have a permit when none of the areas "allowed" have gold.
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    I was waiting for someone to do that overlay.
    It might be helpful to have someone draft a more understandable map that depicts what you are showing.

    Maybe the data is available in GIS format?

    At least they are being open about their intentions (once you get to the end of the publication)
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    They're not going to let you dredge legally in commiefornia... they haven't and they won't. People mining the miners include lawyers and politicians... move along...

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    Why don't you who hold paper, just go mine your claim ?
    Then you can talk about prospecting and gold.
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    Paysteaks are looking good, pulling good gold dredging lol. You can do the hit and run thing and make good money, I hope that some form of permit does come out. But there are those where it doesn't really matter we are still going regardless nothing has changed except the amount of time in the water. No permit will actually make you a better miner, your time is short, your more focused, no bs time, you can eat later etc and when the nozzle is hogging you already have a very good idea how much you make on your time slot. Sure makes things interesting hahaha. Plus you will keep your dredge in top condition
    no time for breakdowns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IMAUDIGGER View Post
    I was waiting for someone to do that overlay.
    It might be helpful to have someone draft a more understandable map that depicts what you are showing.
    Looks like you have been Californicated again. It's OK to dredge in areas where there is no gold as long as you pay a $1940 application fee and another $1940 for every two yards dredged. Hey bonus - they limited the no gold dredging cost to only $169,099 per season!

    Looks like your state mining groups really helped things along. Dredge anywhere you want as long as there is no gold. Meet the federal 404 standards and declare yourself a point source polluter even though the courts have consistently said you aren't. Brilliant. Four drunk monkeys riding a three legged goat could have made a better deal.

    Those don't look like HUC10 watersheds on those maps. I'm really busy these days but I'll see if I can put together a more accurate map on Land Matters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clay Diggins View Post
    ...and another $1940 for every two yards dredged.
    Is that the way the math works out? I didn't do the math to calculate how the fees were calculated. If that's the math - come on, that's crazy! Is it even possible to recover an ounce of gold from two yards of average (using California rivers as the context) gold-bearing river gravels? (I'm in New Jersey and only dredge in New Hampshire and Virginia; I don't think there's anywhere in those states where one could pull an ounce out of two yards of placer gravels).
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