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    Quote Originally Posted by mytimetoshine View Post
    Well I found your original unnecessary comment insulting.. but you crotchety rude old guys never see how you come off. Only point the finger...its ok to be rude but when someone says something back to you your insulted.

    Just listen to your self..."if you know what your doing" experience is key" 40 years of mining" ...you come off like gods gift to gold mining..you come off like an arrogant ass.. you decided to quote my comment first and trash it. Maybe in all your vast experience you might learn that respect is earned by giving it to others first. I don't owe some old clown on the internet anything.. watch what you say first and maybe, just maybe you won't get "insulted" in return
    Best wishes MTS, sorry you are having a bad time , hope things get better for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mytimetoshine View Post
    But how many shovels did you break?
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    Dude, it happens!
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    Shovels are not prybars, will not happen if you have the right tools and a 17lb. 6 ft. prybar is a must for mining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by et1955 View Post
    Shovels are not prybars, will not happen if you have the right tools and a 17lb. 6 ft. prybar is a must for mining.
    Unless they are 10 years old, I’d give most people the benefit of the doubt they know how to abuse a shovel and how not to.

    Shovels do break...I’ve got piles of them I’ve found metal detecting as testimony to that fact. However a quality shovel built for the type of digging your doing will last much longer. Hardly something I’d factor into the cost of mining. I feel I should have a shovel in my truck anyway. Eventually the handle will break. I got 12 years out of my last shovel, but it took 2 handles to stretch it that far. The first one lasted 10 years but got ran over with heavy equipment. The replacement handle weathered and split after two years.
    I bought a replacement shovel at Ace Hardware and the top of the shovel where you place your foot broke off before I could wear the paint off it.

    Just last week I watched a guy break the handle on a brand new shovel. Just planted his foot on it and lifted the dirt. Split it right up the middle. Junk ash handle.

    The Razor-back closed back shovel with ash handle is decent, but I’m leaning towards buying a forged shovel. Just not sure the trade off in strength vs. weight is worth it.

    I never knew there were so many different purpose built shovels. Example:moving dirt vs. digging dirt. Soft soil vs rocky ground...
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    Tell you what...in 1850 breaking a shovel sure ate into your gold mining profits.
    $25 each when gold was $19/oz.

    Those shovels were built pretty light. Just made to move loose material. Useless without a pick (another $25 and very prone to breaking). That not only reduced profit but it halted all work till you could find a place to buy a replacement.

    Neat to ponder when that large signal turns out to be a worn shovel or broken pick head.
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    The point I was making was that when you are mining, gear breaks. You can't avoid this due to the rough nature of the work
    It may be a shovel, a split hose, broken fan belt, burned up winch or a flat tire. All these things cost money and are common when you are prospecting.
    You have to consider that in your bottom line calculations of whether this was worth it or not...unless you are digging for adventure first and gold second.

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    I get what your saying, but factoring in the cost of a shovel, fan belt, or your lunch when contemplating mining is just plain silly talk IMHO. Nobody does that.

    You will know it if your wasting your time....”counting colors” in a test pan isn’t going to help you, nor will fretting about the cost of a shovel.

    There are some things I just don’t want to know.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesorodeoro View Post
    Unless they are 10 years old, Iíd give most people the benefit of the doubt they know how to abuse a shovel and how not to.

    Shovels do break...Iíve got piles of them Iíve found metal detecting as testimony to that fact. However a quality shovel built for the type of digging your doing will last much longer. Hardly something Iíd factor into the cost of mining. I feel I should have a shovel in my truck anyway. Eventually the handle will break. I got 12 years out of my last shovel, but it took 2 handles to stretch it that far. The first one lasted 10 years but got ran over with heavy equipment. The replacement handle weathered and split after two years.
    I bought a replacement shovel at Ace Hardware and the top of the shovel where you place your foot broke off before I could wear the paint off it.

    Just last week I watched a guy break the handle on a brand new shovel. Just planted his foot on it and lifted the dirt. Split it right up the middle. Junk ash handle.

    The Razor-back closed back shovel with ash handle is decent, but Iím leaning towards buying a forged shovel. Just not sure the trade off in strength vs. weight is worth it.

    I never knew there were so many different purpose built shovels. Example:moving dirt vs. digging dirt. Soft soil vs rocky ground...
    I only broke 3 shovels getting about 2lbs. of gold on the the Sultan river, that was because I used the shovel to move 4ft. boulders instead of my prybar. The shovels are now part of mining history. Typical hole on the SultanClick image for larger version. 

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    I’d say that is rocky ground.

    Locked up tight!
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    Ya'll use shovels?

    I use a D- handle spade.

    I guess a shovel would work, but it might be some hard work depending on the terrain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckshot View Post
    Ya'll use shovels?

    I use a D- handle spade.

    I guess a shovel would work, but it might be some hard work depending on the terrain.
    NO , not when I have son's that want to learn about prospecting !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckshot View Post
    Ya'll use shovels?

    I use a D- handle spade.

    I guess a shovel would work, but it might be some hard work depending on the terrain.
    I suppose it makes a difference if you are filling a pan, bucket, wheelbarrow, or into a high banker or trommel. Digging dirt or shoveling loose gravel.

    How tall you are makes a difference too. If I have to bend over too much, my back goes out.
    D-handled shovels are hard on my back.

    That’s kind of what I was getting at with all the purpose built shovels.

    Check out this article at Red Pig Tools.
    https://www.redpigtools.com/The-Right-Shovel_b_2.html

    This is an interesting tool. Looks useful for shoveling rocks. They say it’s a clay spade. Never seen one of those before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duckshot View Post
    Ya'll use shovels?

    I use a D- handle spade.

    I guess a shovel would work, but it might be some hard work depending on the terrain.
    On the sultan it is a combination of the right tools, 6ft. prybar ,shovel and a hand powered winch plus ropes to move these rocks. Also this is a very steep canyon, terrain extream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tesorodeoro View Post
    Tell you what...in 1850 breaking a shovel sure ate into your gold mining profits.
    $25 each when gold was $19/oz.

    Those shovels were built pretty light. Just made to move loose material. Useless without a pick (another $25 and very prone to breaking). That not only reduced profit but it halted all work till you could find a place to buy a replacement.



    Neat to ponder when that large signal turns out to be a worn shovel or broken pick head.
    all the old shovels i dig up are much much heavier and better built than the modern ones

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goldwasher View Post
    all the old shovels i dig up are much much heavier and better built than the modern ones
    Interesting. It must vary with region then.

    If I could find a much heavier and better built antique shovel, Iíd put a new handle on it and use it!

 

 
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