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    Sluicing or high banking in the desert without a dry washer

    Everyone is always telling me if I plan on going to Nevada, I had better get a dry washer. I'm sort of retired... dry washing sounds a lot like hard work, gives us poor returns on investment and time, way below minimum wage. So why do it?? I have to admit that for the most part the nay sayers could almost be right...almost. Viewing the google earth desert areas, I found that the US government funded and constructed thousands of miles of waterway canals/conduits throughout the desert sw to help "farmers"(corporate entities) grow tree nuts in the desert. Well the tree nut "corporate farmers" require about 1,900 gallons of water to produce a pound of almonds. They've already succeeded in sucking dry Lake Meade and other water sources to the point of exhausting the water sources altogether. 35% of capacity is not even a half full glass.

    We all know that once something gets californicated, rarely does it return to what it was before. Suction dredging in CA is dead as it is legislated, but what if you were in the middle of the Nevada or Arizona desert next to a canal using that as a water source to highbank placer from an area adjacent to the canal. You are not violating the law unless cited and tried. AZ or NV could care less about CA becoming a dried prune. In one hour, you would be using water that would produce a pound of almonds.

    Please note that you're in NV or AZ, not CA. I would also suggest that you not return any discharge into the canal where you would be "polluting" or creating turbidity in the canal water. What will they do? Take away your birthday? Charge you with petty water theft (a misdemeanor that's a ticket). The water in these canals are clean enough to drink. Mind you, I am NOT encouraging anyone to violate the "law", perhaps I'm encouraging us to use our own resources, created with our money, not some non tax paying corporate farmer. Let's face it... what are the odds of someone coming along and recognizing what you are doing? Buy a T-Shirt with "Mercury Mitigation Orginization" imprinted on it, and cheap business cards to match the shirt.

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    I don't like your way of thinking it would be stealing.
    I don't like thieves.
    If you steal less than $950 In California it's a misdemeanor and you out on the streets or desert the next day.
    There's no accountability and leads to career criminals.
    I don't have the answers but would be in favor of my tax dollars being used to build more prisons.
    Cheers Mike
    Stay thirsty my friends

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    ncclaymaker it is becoming clear you have no experience prospecting or placer mining in the desert. You seem unwilling to take advice from folks that do. What is your end game? Many of us grew up prospecting and placer mining in Arizona and Nevada. When we say you need a drywasher we are trying to help you. Drywashing is no more labor intensive than highbanking, and just as efficacious. If you get caught messing with that canal you will lose your machine, your vehicle, and your freedom. They are patrolled by air, and your legal fee's will be outrageous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncclaymaker View Post
    You are not violating the law unless cited and tried.
    This right here tells me all I need to know about your "character".
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    How many good folks have any idea what CAP, ADWR, AMA and ADQ are? Getting water from canals do not require a phD., does require a small bit of cash for permits and applications, etc. Once a permit is issued, the physical location can be easily be amended for pocket change... as long as the basic parameters were pretty much the same . I think I'll keep my high banker, while dry washing gives others silicosis and other respiratory diseases. It may take a month or so to get the paperwork, but once permitted...

    I believe that I'll prospect along the CAP and high-bank where the ground warrants it... with all the water I'll ever need. I'll bring along a few small almond trees to use the unrecyclable water.

    The people that I had spoken to in AZ government were professional in demeanor, facts were easy to ascertain, and they were ready and willing to aid me in obtaining the required permits. For the life of me, I cannot understand why AZ miners haven't banded together to get the permits required. The water is there!!!

    BTW - I lived for some time in Casa Grande and I'm no stranger to the desert, but not an expert. BS usually can go around the world ten times... before truth even gets on its' shoes.
    The view is always better with 500 feet of air under your buttocks.

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    stumbled onto this guy on another post the other day and the vibe I got was he's got it all figured out no matter what anybody says......let him run with it.

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    I'm not sure I will get a sane answer but how the heck is drywashing more work than highbanking?!

    My puffer weighs less than my highbanker, it is battery powered will run longer than I care to dig on a motorcycle battery and gets good fine recovery. I can plop it anywhere just so long as the dirt is dry and go to town, also it is setup to run hand crank if necessary.

    My highbanker is limited by length of hose and pump power as to where I can work also the footvalve/intake hose, pump, pressure hose, can of gas, it weighs more than the sluice. Highbankers suck at fine recovery unless they have an extension to let the bubbles out.

    (comment deleted, no politics!)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncclaymaker View Post
    How many good folks have any idea what CAP, ADWR, AMA and ADQ are? Getting water from canals do not require a phD., does require a small bit of cash for permits and applications, etc. Once a permit is issued, the physical location can be easily be amended for pocket change... as long as the basic parameters were pretty much the same . I think I'll keep my high banker, while dry washing gives others silicosis and other respiratory diseases. It may take a month or so to get the paperwork, but once permitted...

    I believe that I'll prospect along the CAP and high-bank where the ground warrants it... with all the water I'll ever need. I'll bring along a few small almond trees to use the unrecyclable water.

    The people that I had spoken to in AZ government were professional in demeanor, facts were easy to ascertain, and they were ready and willing to aid me in obtaining the required permits. For the life of me, I cannot understand why AZ miners haven't banded together to get the permits required. The water is there!!!

    BTW - I lived for some time in Casa Grande and I'm no stranger to the desert, but not an expert. BS usually can go around the world ten times... before truth even gets on its' shoes.
    This is fantasy ncclaymaker. I do know quite a bit about CAP, ADWMR, ADQ and the Colorado River pact.

    If you had actually researched this you would know that the first regulatory hurdle your plan encountered would never be cleared. It's an axiom of water rights access in Arizona that:
    Temporary Water shall not be an integral part of the applicants' business operations.

    So you might be able to get a temporary permit if you were using the water to grow almond trees to shade your hand cranked drywasher or for dust control for your powered drywasher but you will never get a permit for a traveling highbanking operation. That's not even getting into the issues with getting a required recharge permit for your mining wastewater. Whole 'nuther ball of wax there.

    Just putting some shoes on your theory.

    Heavy Pans
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bodfish Mike View Post
    I don't like your way of thinking it would be stealing.
    I don't like thieves.
    I doubt ncclaymaker or anyone else could steal water from that canal. It's sealed on both banks with barbed wire topped 7 foot galvanized steel chain link fence. Every access point is gated and locked. The ground around the canal is cleared of all brush etc. for at least 100 feet and it's patrolled full time by plane, helicopter and truck patrols. Desert dwellers protect their water supplies.

    The CAP is the largest federal project in history and five million people rely on the water carried in that canal to be drinkable. Critical infrastructure.

    Heavy Pans
    Last edited by Clay Diggins; Jul 15, 2021 at 11:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncclaymaker View Post
    I understand your rationalization if I apply for a permit and obtain one... I must be a thief of resources or from the Kremlin? I have a rock in my garden with more intelligence than that statement you made. At least the Kremlin does not have to be made great again... they are pretty much on their way. 608,000 US covid deaths as of today. Now that's great. Please don't get vaccinated... we can be even greater.
    Don't know what your problem is, and don't care. Several people have offered
    you very sound advice, and you've responded with arrogance and disdain for their help.
    Maybe you are not aware, but IMO you've pretty much worn out your welcome
    from the gold prospectors here.

    You're not interested in any help, so please, take all your gadgets and your
    plane and go to Arizona or Nevada and do what you will.
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    It's always the same ones too I've noticed. The self proclaimed experts and armchair gurus, mostly west coasters that have already given up their mining rights.. Says alot I think and no wonder most of you are so sour to newcomers.
    Maybe all of you should be banned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnnybravo300 View Post
    It's always the same ones too I've noticed. The self proclaimed experts and armchair gurus, mostly west coasters that have already given up their mining rights.. Says alot I think and no wonder most of you are so sour to newcomers.
    Maybe all of you should be banned.
    JB, have you actually read the man's posts? Nobody I know of is
    sour to newcomers, and in fact, a number of us welcomed this person.
    Then, when he basically told us we didn't know JS, even more people
    tried to politely explain reality to him.

    No idea where you got your opinions from, but kindness has been shown, and rejected.

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    Mike (aka Dizz)

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    A man does not wish sickness and death on his fellow miners and there families plus anyone else. Understanding your mining rights and fighting for them is the way to go. I knew the old timers and learned from them, sorry you didn't have that opportunity. I know how the old-timers would react to your post. ? LOL
    Last edited by Treasure_Hunter; Jul 19, 2021 at 09:51 AM.

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    (quote deleted)

    One member simply suggested it (tongue-in-cheek), and you've made a
    big issue out of it. As far as I know, they don't ban people for lacking
    honor or good character.
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