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  1. #31
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    Couple of things here.

    First off, Socorro I keep you an apology. I looked right at the numbers for submicron gold and it didn't click. And for that I do apologize. I'm man enough to admit when I made a mistake and I Ken up to them.

    GT,

    I wish I could really tell people what I do for Freeport but I am under several nondisclosure agreements. All I can say is i get to play with a whole lot of experimental equipment from alot of big names around the world.

    The problem here is what Socorro stated his machine will recover. 500 mesh is .001 inches in diameter. To put this in perspective, the average human hair is about .002 inches in diameter. So pull one out and split it lengthwise. He then goes on to claim his machine will recover 800-1000 mesh which is about .0007 to .0005 inches in diameter. This is where I call crap. The actual limit the human eye can see is around 400-500 mesh depending on the person's eyesight.

    Another way to put this in perspective is to compare it to talcum power which is around 1250 mesh.

    I was involved in a of testing several years ago that involved experimental recovery techniques for the mine here. What we found out is that around 500 mesh even gold will float away due to the surface tension of the water unless a surfactant is used. In the end we found that it is much easier to use flotation to recover particles that small.
    Mining is how I make my living. I turn mountains into dust on a daily basis.

  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Socorro View Post
    Entertaining for sure.
    Here ya go folks. Straight from his site.
    THE GOLD STORY ? LNW Engineering

    Scroll down and read under The Gold Bug.
    Mining is how I make my living. I turn mountains into dust on a daily basis.

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    I was just funnin.MM, i have never worked floatation. I just use a table n wheel.
    Socorro my input here on your product is worthess i couldnt even afford it anyway.
    Good luck guys.
    Gt......

  4. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by gold tramp View Post
    I was just funnin.MM, i have never worked floatation. I just use a table n wheel.
    Socorro my input here on your product is worthess i couldnt even afford it anyway.
    Good luck guys.
    Gt......
    It's all good brother. Freeport has put out a hell of a lot of money for my education so i get a little defensive when someone mentions there name along with spouting crap.

    I posted up in another thread where EVERYBODY can get the same education I have if they are willing to throw down.
    Mining is how I make my living. I turn mountains into dust on a daily basis.

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    Unfortunately guys , in mining we all have to put up with the sales people, that’s their job. With our friend Sorocco, that’s his business that looks like he started it, a small scale business, the type of business that needs support and perhaps his product is worth a try. I enjoy seeing startups work, especially in our industry.

    Having been approached by many mining equipment manufacturers that claim all things under the sun, I will only buy something that is proven, the separator pictures I posted previously work for me but yes I use mercury, I can say this in confidence as I randomly pan the sands after the separator. When milling good ore, we often get floating gold so we throw in some dishwasher or soap powder on the ore before we mill and that seems to solve the problem.

    Soroccos machine seems very expensive to me, I buy mine for less than one fifth of his machines price, I’m not sure what the difference is between the machines I use and the machine he builds, I would hope he would care to explain....

    Sorocco, I will make you a proposal... send me a machine which I will run off a T piece so half my sand flows through my separator and half will flow through your machine. I will let you know if there is a difference!!

    Anyway all been away for a while building an elution machine for me mine and concentrating mostly on my underground. I hope you are all well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Socorro View Post
    I have received some PM's from folks calling me out that they don't believe you can separate pure gold with a centrifugal bowl, as in my pictures in my previous post.

    They are correct, in that I failed to provide details on the process, sorry about that, hey, at least people are reading.

    The pictures I posted are from the gold that was recovered from concentrate from the bowl. Then those were run on our prototype table to separate the gold from the heavies. So, No, you are not going to get pure gold out of a concentrator. This has been an ongoing effort for over 10 years to be able to separate 800-1000 mesh gold by gravity separation.

    So there is no confusion, our concentrator bowl did extract this gold from the head ore, but it was cleaned up on our own table to obtain the clean gold.
    You guys ever return a call, or an email?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pczim View Post
    Unfortunately guys , in mining we all have to put up with the sales people, thatís their job. With our friend Sorocco, thatís his business that looks like he started it, a small scale business, the type of business that needs support and perhaps his product is worth a try. I enjoy seeing startups work, especially in our industry.

    Having been approached by many mining equipment manufacturers that claim all things under the sun, I will only buy something that is proven, the separator pictures I posted previously work for me but yes I use mercury, I can say this in confidence as I randomly pan the sands after the separator. When milling good ore, we often get floating gold so we throw in some dishwasher or soap powder on the ore before we mill and that seems to solve the problem.

    Soroccos machine seems very expensive to me, I buy mine for less than one fifth of his machines price, Iím not sure what the difference is between the machines I use and the machine he builds, I would hope he would care to explain....

    Sorocco, I will make you a proposal... send me a machine which I will run off a T piece so half my sand flows through my separator and half will flow through your machine. I will let you know if there is a difference!!

    Anyway all been away for a while building an elution machine for me mine and concentrating mostly on my underground. I hope you are all well.
    There are a lot of cheap knudsen bowl copies around...the difference i see with their design is its kind of a hybrid between neffco and knudsen, its a spiral shape vs concentric rings. Its to solve the problem of packing of cons which knudsen will do just like a sluice, you pack the riffles and lose gold. I can tell you getting a mold designed for rubber is not cheap in any way. I would like to see one in action..

    I do think the more expensive falcon and Knelson centrifuges are the best product, but its cost prohibitive... more of a long term installation type of thing for your mill. I may even try one if I find some buyers for my used equipment laying around..

  8. #38
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    It really doesn't matter if a centrifugal concentrator can recover down to 1000 mesh. The fact if the matter is that without some type of surfactant added to the water, most gold under about 325 mesh is going to float away anyhow due to the surface tension of the water used when it is panned, tabled or even when the bowl is washed out. This is simple physics.

    Even Falcon does not mention the use of a surfactant in the recovery process. And in this they are doing themselves a great disservice.

    Soccorro may very well have the "holy grail" of gold recovery but his lack of defending his product and being more forthcoming with information is hurting him badly.

    I've been in the mining industry as a "professional miner" for a long damn time. My offer still stands.

    I'll put the $5k for his product in an escrow account. If it works as he claims, he gets the money. If not, he doesn't.
    Last edited by Mad Machinist; Sep 12, 2019 at 07:48 PM.
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    What bothers me is I have called these guys and emailed them multiple times and they donít respond, for somebody that supposed to be for the small miner thats just not a business I care to deal with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreamlineGold View Post
    What bothers me is I have called these guys and emailed them multiple times and they donít respond, for somebody that supposed to be for the small miner thats just not a business I care to deal with.
    StreamlineGold, We have had a very busy season and totally lost track of checking here on the forum for replies, since we don't receive notifications on a posting outside of our own thread. However, we handle emails and phone calls around the clock for customers worldwide and to my knowledge, we have not missed any calls or callbacks at any time. If you could provide your name and contact I would be happy to verify your emails and calls, just want to make sure you are calling and emailing the correct number and email address. Our phone number is 800.858.5504 and email address is: mining@lnwengineering.com

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    I left you 3 messages on the phone, with no returns. No big deal like I said not a lot of effort for follow up..for all you know im someone buying 10 units. But I will pass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StreamlineGold View Post
    I left you 3 messages on the phone, with no returns. No big deal like I said not a lot of effort for follow up..for all you know im someone buying 10 units. But I will pass.
    StreamlineGold, I appreciate you responding back to your thread posting, however... You have made a public posting stating that you have left 3 messages and no return calls. I had personally gone back before posting last week on all messages and phone calls, since we have a full computer tracking software that handles all incoming and outgoing calls, with sales staff that leave notes on each every call for reference, I did not locate any calls, and certainly not 3 calls that had not been returned.

    I just wish to provide clarity that we have absolutely no record of your calls. Again, if you wish to post on a public forum that we refuse to return your calls, it would at least be welcomed that you provide us a means of research as to your contact information to better research your calls, whether publically or privately. As anyone would imagine, it's not customary for a sales department not to follow up from potential customers calls, usually not the most efficient means of making sales.

    Socorro
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