COVID-19 info

[Mad Machinist]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
Last evening dining out with friends, one of their uncles, who's graduated with a master's degree and who worked in Shenzhen Hospital (Guangdong Province, China) sent him the following notes on Coronavirus for guidance:
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 C degrees. It hates the sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it travels about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with an antibacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasize enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
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[Mad Machinist]

I think this is good advice!

From an ER nurse at children’s hospital Orange County ( CHOC)

I know we’re all tired of hearing/talking about it, but one thing I HAVEN’T really seen going around is advice for what happens if you DO get coronavirus (many of us will), we're only seeing advice for how to try to AVOID it.

So as your friendly neighborhood RN, here we go:

Things you should *actually* buy ahead of time (Um, not sure what the obsession with toilet paper is?): Kleenex, Acetaminophen (Tylenol) in 325 mg tablets, Ibuprofen (Advil) in 200 mg tablets, Mucinex, Robitussin or DayQuil/NyQuil, whatever your cough medicine of choice is.

If you don’t have a humidifier, that would also be a good thing to get. (You can also just turn the shower on hot and sit in the bathroom breathing in the steam). Also a good time to make a big batch of your favorite soup to freeze and have on hand.
If you have a history of asthma and you have a prescription inhaler, make sure the one you have isn’t expired and refill it/get a new one if it is.

You basically just want to prepare as though you know you’re going to get a nasty respiratory bug like bronchitis or pneumonia. You just have the foresight to know it’s coming.

For symptom management, use the meds I mentioned. For a fever over 101, alternate Tylenol and Advil so you’re taking a dose of one or the other every 3 hours. Use both cough suppressants and expectorants (most cough meds have both). Drink a ton, hydrate hydrate. Rest lots.

If you're sick, you should not be leaving your house except to go to the doctor, and if you do, wear a mask (regular is fine, you don’t need an N95). You DO NOT NEED TO GO TO THE ER unless you are having trouble breathing or your fever is very high and unmanaged with meds.

90% of healthy adult cases thus far have been managed at home with basic rest/hydration/over-the-counter meds. We don’t want to clog the ERs unless you’re actually in distress. The hospital beds will be used for people who apamctively need oxygen/breathing treatments/IV fluids.

If you have a pre-existing lung condition (COPD, emphysema, lung cancer) or are on immunosuppressants, now is a great time to talk to your PCP or specialist about what they would like you to do if you get sick. They might have plans to get you admitted and bypass the ER entirely.

One major relief to you parents is that kids do VERY well with coronavirus— they usually bounce back in a few days, no one under 18 has died, and almost no kids have required hospitalization (unless they have a lung disease like CF).
Just use pediatric dosing of the same meds.

(If you want to share, PLEASE copy and paste.)

 

[Mad Machinist]

Vaccine in human trial phase.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/how-close-are-we-to-a-vaccine

 

[Mad Machinist]

If this was just China, I'd call crap. But South Korea as well?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ex...-cure-chloroquine-latest-coronavirus-news/amp

Funny how tree bark can fight a virus.

 

[signal_line]

I read 6 out of 7 people will probably not even know they have it. Why is everyone so in a panic? Victims of propaganda. Eventually people will see the emperor has no clothes.

 

[ARC]

Published in New York 14 hours ago...

The coronavirus can live for three days on some surfaces, like plastic and steel, new research suggests. Experts say the risk of consumers getting infected from touching those materials is still low, although they offered additional warnings about how long the virus survives in air, which may have important implications for medical workers.

The new study, published Tuesday in the New England Journal of Medicine, also suggests that the virus disintegrates over the course of a day on cardboard, lessening the worry among consumers that deliveries will spread the virus during this period of staying and working from home.

When the virus becomes suspended in droplets smaller than 5 micrometers — known as aerosols — it can stay suspended for about a half-hour, researchers said, before drifting down and settling on surfaces where it can linger for hours. The finding on aerosol in particular is inconsistent with the World Health Organization’s position that the virus is not transported by air.

The virus lives longest on plastic and steel, surviving for up to 72 hours. But the amount of viable virus decreases sharply over this time. It also does poorly on copper, surviving four hours. On cardboard, it survives up to 24 hours, which suggests packages that arrive in the mail should have only low levels of the virus — unless the delivery person has coughed or sneezed on it or has handled it with contaminated hands.

That’s true in general. Unless the people who handle any of these materials are sick, the actual risk of getting infected from any of these materials is low, experts said.

“Everything at the grocery store and restaurant takeout containers and bags could in theory have infectious virus on them,” said Dr. Linsey Marr, who was not a member of the research team but is an expert in the transmission of viruses by aerosol at Virginia Tech in Blacksburg. “We could go crazy discussing these ‘what-ifs’ because everyone is a potential source, so we have to focus on the biggest risks.”

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If people are concerned about the risk, they could wipe down packages with disinfectant wipes and wash their hands, she said.

It is unclear why cardboard should be a less hospitable environment for the virus than plastic or steel, but it may be explained by the absorbency or fibrous quality of the packaging compared with the other surfaces.

That the virus can survive and stay infectious in aerosols is also important for health care workers.

For weeks experts have maintained that the virus is not airborne. But in fact, it can travel through the air and stay suspended for that period of about a half-hour.

The virus does not linger in the air at high enough levels to be a risk to most people who are not physically near an infected person. But the procedures health care workers use to care for infected patients are likely to generate aerosols.

“Once you get a patient in with severe pneumonia, the patients need to be intubated,” said Dr. Vincent Munster, a virologist at the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases who led the study. “All these handlings might generate aerosols and droplets.”

Health care workers might also collect those tiny droplets and larger ones on their protective gear when working with infected patients. They might resuspend these big and small droplets into the air when they take off this protective gear and become exposed to the virus then, Dr. Marr cautioned.

A study that is being reviewed by experts bears out this fear. And another study, published March 4 in JAMA, also indicates that the virus is transported by air. That study, based in Singapore, found the virus on a ventilator in the hospital room of an infected patient, where it could only have reached via the air.

Dr. Marr said the World Health Organization has so far referred to the virus as not airborne, but that health care workers should wear gear, including respirator masks, assuming that it is.



“Based on aerosol science and recent findings on flu virus,” she said, “surgical masks are probably insufficient.”

Dr. Marr said based on physics, an aerosol released at a height of about six feet would fall to the ground after 34 minutes. The findings should not cause the general public to panic, however, because the virus disperses quickly in the air.

“It sounds scary,” she said, “but unless you’re close to someone, the amount you’ve been exposed to is very low.”

Dr. Marr compared this to cigarette smoke or a foggy breath on a frosty day. The closer and sooner another person is to the exhaled smoke or breath, the more of a whiff they might catch; for anyone farther than a few feet away, there is too little of the virus in the air to be any danger.

To assess the ability of the virus to survive in the air, the researchers created what Dr. Munster described as “bizarre experiments done under very ideal controllable experimental conditions.” They used a rotating drum to suspend the aerosols, and provided temperature and humidity levels that closely mimic hospital conditions.

In this setup, the virus survived and stayed infectious for up to three hours, but its ability to infect drops sharply over this time, he said.

He said the aerosols might only stay aloft for about 10 minutes, but Dr. Marr disagreed with that assessment, and said they could stay in the air for three times longer. She also said that the experimental setup might be less comfortable for the virus than a real-life setting.


For example, she said, the researchers used a relative humidity of 65 percent. “Many, but not all viruses, have shown that they survive worst at this level of humidity,” she said. They do best at lower or much higher humidity. The humidity in a heated house is less than 40 percent, “at which the virus might survive even longer,” she said.

Mucus and respiratory fluids might also allow the virus to survive longer than the laboratory fluids the researchers used for their experiments.

Other experts said the paper’s findings illustrate the urgent need for more information about the virus’ ability to survive in aerosols, and under different conditions.

“We need more experiments like this, in particular, extending the experimental sampling time for aerosolized virus beyond three hours and testing survival under different temperature and humidity conditions,” said Dr. Jeffrey Shaman, an environmental health sciences expert at Columbia University.

Dr. Munster noted that, overall, the new coronavirus seems no more capable of surviving for long periods than its close cousins SARS and MERS, which caused previous epidemics. That suggests there are other reasons, such as transmission by people who don’t have symptoms, for its ability to cause a pandemic.

 

[signal_line]

Another article said 80% will only experience mild or no symptoms. In a year 70% of the world will have contracted this. My logic says better to get it now while medical supplies are still available. Putting off the inevitable just makes for a stressful life. I wonder how many will die of heart attacks just worrying about this and if that number will be greater than the fatalities from the actual virus.

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

MM good work & info.
I've got some videos to stay healthy, reminders, simple things...
Some may be in the General subforum.
Let me see if I can put them here now.

signal line, ppl have this in Broward cty and are all over the place.
came in through the ports & airports,
If one has plaque buildup and/or atherosclerosis cardiovascular disease,
the plaque can rupture the vessel/artery walls, causing a heart attack.
I'll try to find that medical source, we want facts and findings.
If any of you find/have it, post it. thx

Only 4 min's long, simple things to do, to help yourselves.




My neighbor has done these veggies(and more), for decades, I do, too.
I got few things I need to get done. GL & Be safe #FlattenTheCurve

 

[Mad Machinist]

MM good work & info.
I've got some videos to stay healthy, reminders, simple things...
Some may be in the General subforum.
Let me see if I can put them here now.

signal line, ppl have this in Broward cty and are all over the place.
came in through the ports & airports,
If one has plaque buildup and/or atherosclerosis cardiovascular disease,
the plaque can rupture the vessel/artery walls, causing a heart attack.
I'll try to find that medical source, we want facts and findings.
If any of you find/have it, post it. thx

Only 4 min's long, simple things to do, to help yourselves.




My neighbor has done these veggies(and more), for decades, I do, too.
I got few things I need to get done. GL & Be safe #FlattenTheCurve

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Pat,

I'm trying to keep a close eye on this. Something tore through this part of Arizona here awhile ago and it was particularly nasty. It put a bunch of us down for 10-14 days. I was on my butt for 11 days amd I NEVER get that sick. Was it the coronavirus? We don't know. No testing was.done and it was wrote off as the flu or pneumonia.

Mine was wrote off as pneumonia. However, after talking with my family doctor. He's not so sure it was pneumonia based on alot of other people having similar symptoms.

We have a very mobile population here with some from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and a.few from California. A lot of people travel here for work during the week from Tucson and Phoenix.

We will probably never know unless the develop a test to test for coronavirus antibodies.

 

[Hvactech19]

I work in a hospital so I'm screwed. Bury me with my equinox

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

Pat,

I'm trying to keep a close eye on this. Something tore through this part of Arizona here awhile ago and it was particularly nasty. It put a bunch of us down for 10-14 days. I was on my butt for 11 days amd I NEVER get that sick. Was it the coronavirus? We don't know. No testing was.done and it was wrote off as the flu or pneumonia.

Mine was wrote off as pneumonia. However, after talking with my family doctor. He's not so sure it was pneumonia based on alot of other people having similar symptoms.

We have a very mobile population here with some from Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and a.few from California. A lot of people travel here for work during the week from Tucson and Phoenix.

We will probably never know unless the develop a test to test for coronavirus antibodies.

That's what I've been wondering about, too. Being able to Id an anti-body.
The video I posted Is from someone I've followed for years on fb,
he has a few on yt, but he has a lot of good info in this cv
Name is Hashem Al-Ghaili. He has good videos, & backs findings up with medical resources.
This cv is so new, we seem to be learning everyday.

Because of certain receptors in our lungs, this virus attaches easily.
but it's like in stealth mode(incubation) for 2 weeks, and one is infectious
with no symptoms. It can leave one with 30% reduced lung capacity and damage.

I started doing deep breathing exercises back in the middle of February.
I also started drinking a hot tea mixture, given me by a doctor friend.
1 squeezed lemon(remove the seeds), shot or 2 Maple syrup, dash or 2 cayenne pepper, hot water.
The cayenne stimulates the mucus membranes to keep that mucus flow going.
Like if someone has sinus mucus, stays in their head/face too long,
it can turn bacterially infected. You want to get that stuff out or at least keep it flowing.
If you have fluid in the lungs, it'll bring it out, but it'll scare the hell out of you,
when it does come out.
May want to consult your own doctor, before doing it.

We don't know what this cv is going to do, mutate, they say they've had the genome,
and a vaccine in the works, antiviral, a cure, something is in the works.
Eat healthy, do the deep breathing, and all that info you put up!
We'll learn more & stay in touch. I'll let you know if I hear anything.
I'm lucky to have a retired nurse for a neighbor, and she knows her stuff.
Her daughter's a pediatrician in Portland, they're wearing full hazmat suits
just to see & treat them kids out there.

Hvachtech19, protect yourself, you should be ok. Keep real clean!
You know we need you, and many are tryng to keep others safe!
Thank you, too, for holding the line...


eta: This morning, I'm hearing "don't take ibuprophen"?
They're saying stay to tylonol(acetemenipine)(sp?)
and aspirin?? We need to get some more tech info on this.
Remember what I said earlier about cardio vascular/plaque disease.
Just be safe. We'll make it through today...

 

[signal_line]

I also read the fatality rates were much higher right at the onset--the most weak and vulnerable got hit hard. Now the rates have slowed significantly. What started out at over 5% here in USA has dropped to like 1%, maybe even less. I was thinking about other virus epidemics. I don't recall knowing anyone who got seriously ill.

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

Signal line, maybe that's a sign we're getting a grip on it,
or we're just waiting for tests results to come down... one or the other...

I don't like junking up important threads with blahblahblah saying nothing,
though I may be one of the worst offenders, at times.

Veggie compounds can help heal our lungs.
I can't recall compound name in the veggies/fruits,
do your own research, learn, here's a link or 2 I pulled up.
We all gotta eat anyway.... Eat healthy to heal...

https://sunwarrior.com/blogs/health-hub/foods-for-lung-health

Lots of popups on this link, sorry folks, still good info.
Knowledge is power. Knowledge applied is more powerful.

https://www.naturalfoodseries.com/14-best-worst-foods-lungs/

GL #FlattenTheCurve

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

News is coming about this drug below



Brand name Plaquanil.

Here's the technical source info:
The original study was done in China (Remdesivir and chloroquine effectively inhibit the recently emerged novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV) in vitro M. Wang, et al.Cell Res (2020 Feb 4), 10.1038/s41422-020-0282-0). Most if not all of our Hydroxychloroquine is manufactured in China.

It's being given for lupus, arthritis/osteoarthritis, malaria... idk what more.
One person cited they were taking Hydroxyzine Hcl as an antihistamine for
post nasal drip, that was going into his lungs.
Aka Chloroquine for treating malaria.

Drawbacks(that I'm aware of): it can cause retinal eye damage. Can't be made OTC,
because of needed opthamologist exams.

I don't have a PDR, but sounds basically like it's quinine or a derivative of...
I've seen some say get tonic water, the neighbor said she has an old bottle, her husband took it for something... (sorry the convo escapes me, atm)
She said exactly same as we thought, they should be able to find antibodies...

I'm trying to find info.... if ya'll know more, have info, tell.
run my info by others, ppl you know, in the know... thanks
Stay healthy!

just fyi below, I messed up something when I tried to edit post earlier.

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/...latest-national-guard-mobilizations-by-state/

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...ief-sees-tens-of-thousands-deployed-for-virus

eta: recvd late last night.

https://www.marinecorpstimes.com/ne...e-used-for-law-enforcement/?utm_source=clavis

 

[Kray Gelder]

IMPORTANT ANNOUNCEMENT - CORONAVIRUS
Last evening dining out with friends, one of their uncles, who's graduated with a master's degree and who worked in Shenzhen Hospital (Guangdong Province, China) sent him the following notes on Coronavirus for guidance:
1. If you have a runny nose and sputum, you have a common cold
2. Coronavirus pneumonia is a dry cough with no runny nose.
3. This new virus is not heat-resistant and will be killed by a temperature of just 26/27 C degrees. It hates the sun.
4. If someone sneezes with it, it travels about 10 feet before it drops to the ground and is no longer airborne.
5. If it drops on a metal surface it will live for at least 12 hours - so if you come into contact with any metal surface - wash your hands as soon as you can with an antibacterial soap.
6. On fabric it can survive for 6-12 hours. normal laundry detergent will kill it.
7. Drinking warm water is effective for all viruses. Try not to drink liquids with ice.
8. Wash your hands frequently as the virus can only live on your hands for 5-10 minutes, but - a lot can happen during that time - you can rub your eyes, pick your nose unwittingly and so on.
9. You should also gargle as a prevention. A simple solution of salt in warm water will suffice.
10. Can't emphasize enough - drink plenty of water!
THE SYMPTOMS
1. It will first infect the throat, so you'll have a sore throat lasting 3/4 days
2. The virus then blends into a nasal fluid that enters the trachea and then the lungs, causing pneumonia. This takes about 5/6 days further.
3. With the pneumonia comes high fever and difficulty in breathing.
4. The nasal congestion is not like the normal kind. You feel like you're drowning. It's imperative you then seek immediate attention.
SPREAD THE WORD - PLEASE SHARE.

BBC has a piece on this exact "letter/note/e-mail." It has gone viral. It is false. They traced it back to Feb. 7. It has since been adopted, modified, added to, but it's the same letter about an uncle who worked with the patients in China. False information.

 

[ARC]

I put another one after this thread was posted.

 

[Kray Gelder]

It's easy to repeat these things. It's hard to tell what's misinformation.

 

[Mad Machinist]

BBC has a piece on this exact "letter/note/e-mail." It has gone viral. It is false. They traced it back to Feb. 7. It has since been adopted, modified, added to, but it's the same letter about an uncle who worked with the patients in China. False information.

Kray,

I'm not gonna argue with you but I would believe the BBC about as far as I can throw my Powerstroke.

After some pretty damn thorough research, I can say I have found only one thing wrong with this.

DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES TAKE IBUPROFEN IF YOU HAVE THIS. Emerging research from both France and Italy suggests that Ibuprofen sends this virus into overdrive. It has to do with Ibuprofen creating something in the lungs that this virus needs to replicate. I don't fully understand it yet sonic have to read some more as I have time.

Chloroquine amd arithromyacin treatments are supposed to start here soon some will see. They have proven very effective in France often killing the virus off in 6 days.

 

[pat-tekker-cat]

Just saw this on fb, first I have heard about them finding antibodies.
I couldn't find it on yt yet. Didn't even watch it yet,
wanted to get it here for ya'll, too. Hope link works ok.
Link works & the research paper is in the pinned comments there.

https://www.facebook.com/ScienceNaturePage/videos/1523013114527263/?v=1523013114527263


I also c&p's what I wrote earlier in the politics sections,
about the ibuprofen situation, idk if they know....


NOW ALSO: They've said if you get cv19 DO NOT take ibuprophen!
Something to do with the swelling factors that, IF you have plaque in your arteries
when the swelling goes down (as in Anti-inflammatory), that the plaque can rip through the artery/vein walls, throw clots, cause heart attack.
They don't tell you, ibuprohen is a nsiaid (sp?) insaid, nsaid (spellchk says their all spelled wrong, lol)
THEN!!!!! they just said a day or 2 ago, they don't know, they're unsure.
freaking GREAT! which is it? WE got to understand, this situation is fluid & ever changing... ugh.

They are saying to do the tylenol or acetaminipine.(again sp?)
and rotate/deviate between that & something else?...
I didn't catch what the "something else" was.... again ugghhh

I have baby aspirin & Aleve(nsaid, ugh) & plenty of ibuprohen, again ugh.
I know the neighbors have tylonol, so we good.
Was getting a headache last night, did pop 1 Aleve
and Prayed.

 

[Mad Machinist]

Amazing how we return to the old ways when all of our "technology" fails us. Just approved for limited use.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1167831