The Cave of Ccatta- Hueqque

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There are the treasures of legend, hunted for years by many…….and there are other treasures, some big, some small……forgotten to most……..none or very few with any paper trail to research…….with the passing of time, memories cloud, details are lost, the dead do not speak……..
Seems to me that a low profile search is best for what the gov does not know, it cannot take……..

There is much in the ground still waiting to be found…….
Vaya con Dios!

 

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[Corporate Investigations]

Hello IPUK

Perhaps you like this video. Cris western mentions couple of friends found three Doubloons a few years earlier than this documentary. One of them was one of the very young unholy trio.




Amy

 

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Thank you Amy…….there are stories like this all around SA………
And then there are stories that are not written but told, handed down family to family…….
Hard to sort them out except to go search the areas told to me…….vaya con Dios

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Hi CI

Many thanks to you for taking the time and trouble to post the link - it is much appreciated.

So the enigmatic Trio have 'tried' with this particular treasure story as well!?!
That is heartening in the sense that I do not believe that they would have done so if it was a mere myth. My take on this one is that, I cannot accept that an English schooner was hired to transport treasure, as no matter how desperate the Spanish were at the time, they were absolutely distrustful and very suspicious of any Englishmen during that particular time and circumstances. It is said that and escort was sent with the treasure, but I'm still not convinced. I know from an old naval report that the British blockaded the port some time after and in one instance, an Admiral of the high seas serving for the British navy, did actually secure a treasure which mysteriously diminished when he reached British port in the Caribbean some time later. I am of the opinion that the Spanish authorities in Peru, attempted to send a large amount of valuables towards western Mexico's coastline, but it was waylaid somewhere in between.

I find it very difficult to understand why anyone would bury huge amounts of treasure time and again (viz a viz Cocos Island), and then leave it for others to uncover. Cocos Island is very difficult to anchor in and pretty hard to find good locations on, there was large pirate and privateer presence so why bury something so valuable on an island with folk that are looking and hunting for such opportunities?
It is all possible but highly unlikely, and I do not accept anyone found anything more than small amounts of doubloons etc., in any expedition. 'Old Bookaroo' has been very nice in giving me some ideas for various reading materials pertaining to this particular strand, and apparently at the turn of the last century some treasure was found there according to a book written at the time. I do not believe that pirates would have ever thought of Cocos as a 'proper' island for safekeeping of their ill-gotten gains.

That period of history - the 1820s - was a very turbulent and testing time for South and Central America as a whole. The shebang about the 'Mary Dear', Benito Bonito, Keating, Thompson, Cocos Island and the like, is just rehashed and unproven in most parts to be taken seriously. There is no denying that a vast treasure left Callao bound ostensibly for 'safer' shores further up the coast towards Mexico, but it did not get there and who took it and to where and whether anything is left are what intrigue me.


IPUK

 

[UncleMatt]

Okay, forgive my ignorance, but who is "the unholy trio"? PM me if necessary please.

And I watched Amy's film clip from Treasure Hunters, and notice all the guys "searching" the sunken ships for gold didn't have a single metal detector with them! The narrator speaks of chests bursting open when ships foundered, and their contents falling into cracks on the ocean floor. How did they expect to find any of that without a simple metal detector?

 

[Interested Party in UK]

The programme-makers were not really there to actually search for any treasure - more to film their shoot.

It would be wise to heed what was being said; "Only the dreamers and fools would go to search for treasure in Cocos Island".

IPUK

 

[UncleMatt]

You mean I need to cancel these plane and ship tickets? lol

The show was being filmed for "Treasure Hunters", so no basic treasure hunting equipment needed? But I get your point!

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

G'd morning Unk: No metal detector? I did see them, or someone, using an old Fisher "m" scope . If it was fairly new at that time, underwater detectors were just coming into the Market.

Still, it was fascinating

Don Jose de La Mancha

p.s. interesting British / Aussie accent.

 

[Interested Party in UK]

There is a series currently on-air in the UK dealing with 'famous' treasures dealing with such illustrious things such as the Copper Scrolls, Yamashita's, sunken galleons, William Kidd's etc.

Of course the purpose being to highlight the stories and get people to have visions about gold and emeralds dancing in-front of their very eyes. Needless to say, not one episode has shown a single piece of treasure being recovered....


IPUK

 

[Corporate Investigations]

Sadly this is true.

Film makers are generally are not historians. film makers like fiddling with screen shots and sexing up a story to Flog off to the networks. The attention span of the general public is about the size of pea. Curtsey of over 30 years of dumbing down the general public. So to tell a complex possible true story may not be as interesting and profitable as a sexed up BS legend. There is an old saying in show biz never let truth get in the way of a good story. Why do you think the current series on Oak island was made?

Nearly all Treasure hunting books are the same also. The prime goal is to flog books to dazzle punters to dream of fortune and glory.

Each legend has to researched for facts properly. Sadly most have been researched with poor research practices regurgitating other peoples assumptions as facts. This is especially evident in the more famous treasure legends. And truth to such stories are buried under a proverbial mountain of BS.

Corp

 

[Interested Party in UK]

When growing-up, I used to be puzzled as to why the glossy books about treasure-hunting and legends, were always stored in the children's section and never in the adults non-fiction area. I made a solemn promise never to touch or peruse a book with shiny overflowing treasure-chests or piles of heaped gold and jewels on the front cover.

Corp is absolutely right, the vast majority of books are the same plagiarised nonsense in which the 'authors' have never done any "real" research and rely on previous rehashed myths, legends and stories. After many years of growing frustrated by searching for proper books on the subject, I have determined a new way of checking any particular book for authenticity and truth.

I will always maintain that any true and real treasure-hunter, would wish to remain as below the radar as is physically possible. Why oh why would you wish to have a camera crew in tow??
It is all just a gimmick as most will swallow the sad nonsense that is being peddled, due to never having the opportunity to really know what such a career or job in the field actually entails. Most folks need the media to help them formulate their views and opinions and doing so themselves is slightly 'testing' for them. The absolute same applies to the world of treasure.

Another point I wish to make is, the overwhelming majority will never have the resources, knowledge, experience or skills to be successful in the wonderfully mysterious world of treasure-hunting. Most who get 'wealthy' through this way are simply emptying old tombs and graves of small artefacts left for the deceased from centuries gone by. No proper skills needed other than an indifference in morals and standards. To uncover a possible treasure lead, investigate it, gather evidence, formulate a strategy, secure a team and the legal aspects before seeing a single penny in return, is beyond most. Sadly you need a fortune to dig for a fortune. I hope the irony is not lost.

But. But, if one does happen to come across an obscure text, reference, story or lead, then has some capacity to travel and do some relevant research, well, there is nothing stopping one from pursuing what they have always dreamed and imagined!



IPUK (who is now dreaming and imagining of long-lost treasures himself )

 

[Real de Tayopa Tropical Tramp]

IPUK: I tend to agree with you, but in the case of Tayopa, I 'needed exposure for protection',and at the same time allowing confirmation of my data, where possible.

A side effect was to allow readers a chance to become involved in a true treasure and history hunt.

Believe me, the readers in here are hard taskmasters, yet great supporters when give enough true data..

What I still find difficult to believe is how most have accepted the finding with no actual photos inside of the Tayopa yet, after I, to a limited extent, explained why.

I myself, would have been my harshest critic..



Don Jose de La Mancha

P.s. to a certain person, wouldn't you rather have a slightly used, brilliant genius, a loveable, devil may care, handsome, adventurer, than an old, worn out, foot ball player??

 

[Corporate Investigations]

Now now Don Jose

What would your poor better half think? Your a little too long in the tooth to be out sleeping in the Dog house.

Corp

 

[Crow]

Hello IPUK I personally would not make too many assumptions about Cocos. However I agree much with your comments about History of this alleged treasure churned out in books. It is easy for us too judgmental of people of their attempts looking from the comfort of an armchair years later. In truth many expeditions have failed due to various reasons. Mostly it is because of poor research and faulty planing. Both my friend comes with experience. But to get that experience some times you have to graduate through the university of Hard Knocks of trial and error? And for every failure lessons can be learned from them, if we only care to heed them.

Please forgive the very poor quality stills taken from a home movie that was never professionally done. This was not filmed for a documentary but Just for private record. The video camera was bulky back then and yes the older Video, like carrying a tv set on you shoulder. Heat and moisture sweated off everything.The camera equipment compared with equipment we have today was very basic and worked very poorly in the extremely humid environment. The lenses constantly steamed up from the humidity and was covered in crap off the vegetation.

In fact Cocos was a good teething ground for many future treasure hunters way back then to learn essential skills. Most of the metal detectors back then failed to work as the ground was highly mineralised and was a total hindered by the undergrowth. Every bit of clothing was wet within 10 minutes of landing on the island stuck to you like glue. It rained every day and soon as it stopped the humidity made you feel that you was breathing water. Sweat pours off you all and the rocks are slippery and wet. The Jungle is thick and tangled with vines with barbs, The Vines have ants on them that sting and are super aggressive. Most the island is very steep and slippery with dangerous cliffs hidden by undergrowth. Lugging equipment across the island was a nightmare. Even landing on the island this expedition had mishaps. Most of equipment got wet as the tide changed before most of items got ashore. The following still shows very poorly a gold coin in the hand one of two as mentioned by Cris Western on the Video Corp posted, that was found. Sadly no great pirate cache but coins were dated around the 1790's. There was scattered human remains in the half buried lava tube cave. A rusted remains of iron dagger. no doubt a dead sailor either washed down there or buried.





Cocos like many other famous legends have had more than their share of con artists, Self seeking attention seekers just like many other famous legends. However that said Cocos is little like a pole dancer she mesmerizes you with her charms and just when you think you know her bang she stings you. Anyway Its be pleasure chatting with you all. See ya in about 2 months or so.... Crow

 

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Vaya con Dios!

 

[Interested Party in UK]

Going off-topic here.

Does anyone know of the mysterious connection between the fabulously wealthy Astor family in the US and a connection with the discovery of what was reputed to be Captain Kidd's treasure from the north-east of the States in the 18th century?


IPUK

 

[cactusjumper]

Going off-topic here. Does anyone know of the mysterious connection between the fabulously wealthy Astor family in the US and a connection with the discovery of what was reputed to be Captain Kidd's treasure from the north-east of the States in the 18th century? IPUK

IPUK,

A quick search found this:

Liberty Magazine

You may have already seen it, but thought I might save others some time.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

 

[Interested Party in UK]

IPUK,

A quick search found this:

Liberty Magazine

You may have already seen it, but thought I might save others some time.

Good luck,

Joe Ribaudo

Thank you CJ.

It was a rhetorical question and I was hoping to discuss it with any possible enthusiasts. It has a twist in the tale.

Cheers again.

IPUK

 

[banana skin slippers]

Hi Crow,

"Cocos like many other famous legends have had more than their share of con artists, Self seeking attention seekers just like many other famous legends."

-Any information on Sir Malcolm Campbell expedition to the island
- or information on the plane that was used for an expedition in 1939
- or the syndicate of Australian business men who had a document detailing where the cargo of `Mary Dear` under Scotsman Cpt Thompson flying under the English flag eventually ended up.
did it actually end up on the South coast of Australia , up a river?

BSS

 

[Corporate Investigations]

Hello Banana skin slippers

I doubt Crow will be sober enough to answer for a while as he has been spending up big in the hotels and casinos as of late. Last I heard of him he was in Tahiti partying in the pink coconut at the yacht club



Amy