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  1. #21

    May 2007
    Richmond Texas
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    I have recently learned of the KGC and am reading "Rebel Gold".
    Have also learned that the KGC had a "castle" in LaGrange TX. in Fayette Co.
    Most of my family is from this area and some served in Waul's Legion.
    Fayette Co. is adjacent to Washington Co. mentioned in another post.
    I plan to keep looking intoKGC activities in this area.
    At least its an old pull tab!

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  3. #22
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    Feb 2006
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Hi Ron. Thank you for your interesting reply. Our investigation has proven that Brown County and the town of Brownwood were a safe haven for former Guerrillas, KGC members, and Confederates who either refused to take the Oath of Allegiance after the War or were hiding from Federals for other reasons. Most, if not all, of our area political leaders were Knights of the Golden Circle. I am attaching a photo I took of our old Brown County Jail which was authorized to be built during Bloody Bill Anderson's comrade and confidant in Brown County Henry Ford's term as County Clerk. You will see that this beautiful old building was built to resemble the KGC castles out west.
    ~Jay~
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery
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  4. #23

    May 2007
    Richmond Texas
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Good photo Jay,
    Found a book titled "Jesse James, Last Rebel of the Civil War" by T. J. Stiles
    Although the KGC are mentioned only once in passing, It puts JJ in the context of a confederate partisan rather than a bank robber. I'll read this on after I finish "rebel Gold".
    At least its an old pull tab!

  5. #24
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    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Thank you, Ron. If it weren't for "Rebel Gold", I would still know next to nothing about the KGC. I have re-read it completely 3 times now and am always looking in it for more information about various topics as our investigation continues. One other book that I found very educational was "Noted Guerrillas or The Warfare on the Border" by John N. Edwards. It was originally published in 1877 and then republished in 1976. While this book is very informative, it mentions other writings of Edwards that I believe will cover the KGC and the Guerrillas in much more detail. These other books apparently have never been reprinted since they were published originally some years after the Civil War. They are:

    "Shelby and His Men": or, " War in the West"

    "Shelby's Expedition to Mexico: An Unwritten Leaf of the War", 1872.

    Both these books were written by John N. Edwards. Both are also said to be, by Albert Castel, "as rare as they are expensive." If anyone knows of any online versions of either or both of these important books, please reply to this message and let us know.

    ~Jay~
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

  6. #25
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    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Here is an interesting article about some former Guerrillas who visited Brownwood in central Texas that I first posted at my Yahoo group listed below.

    ***

    I urge our members to read this account carefully as it documents
    several visits to Brownwood by Frank & Jesse James and Cole Younger.
    This story relates to Comanche County, Oklahoma and not to Brown
    County, Texas' adjoining Comanche County.
    ~Jay~



    ****

    http://www.rootsweb.com/~okcomanc/pi...ancsalyer.html

    ***

    Comanche County Pioneers
    Interview with Dean C. Salyer
    Lawton, Comanche County Oklahoma
    July 23, 1913 - October 31, 1973
    (Dean was married to my father's sister, Ethel Burnett)
    Sharon Burnett-Crawford
    Jesse James's Two Million Dollar Treasure
    Dean C. Salyer, of Lawton, first visited Oklahoma more than 25 yrs
    ago with the goal of finding the lost treasure of Jesse James. He has
    periodically sought the $180,000 he believes to be hidden in the
    rocks not far from Cutthroat Gap, in far northwest corner of Comanche
    County.
    Salyer, a tree surgeon, a former cowboy, and a treasurer hunter is
    another who came into personal contact with an aging member of the
    outlaw band, but far away from the Wichita Mountains.
    I haven't found anything, but I haven't given up looking, even
    thought I've slowed down a mite. One thing I know, Jesse and Frank
    James buried one hundred and eighty thousand dollars in those hills.
    Make no mistake about that.
    You might wonder how I came to know all this. It was all from an old
    outlaw in Brownwood, Texas - that's where I'm from originally - who
    was a good friend to Jesse and Frank. Even after Frank was acquitted
    of his crimes, he used to come down to Brownwood just to talk over
    old times with this man, whom I knew as Conley. I imagine they talked
    over buried treasure, too, although Conley never admitted as much.
    During the depression Salyer worked as a cook, carpenter, farmer,
    cowboy, or in any other job he could find. During that time he met
    the aged Conley. Conley and his family were hungry. Salyer asked no
    questions and slipped Conley a ten dollar bill. Over the months a
    great friendship developed. Salyer recalled with fond memories
    visiting Conley for hours at a time, listening to him tell of his
    strange past.
    Conley spoke often of outlaws, but it was a long time before he said
    just who the outlaws were. He was more of a lookout man for Jesse as
    I gathered it. At first I didn't think to much of his story. But, you
    know, he talked like he must have been there. And, too, he had a
    cowhide map which he said was one of only three copies.
    Salyer and Conley talked often of making a trip to the Wichita
    Mountains to reclaim the treasure that Conley knew had been buried -
    that is, if Frank hadn't recovered it himself, and Conley had his
    reasons for believing that he had not.
    Before the old man and I could make the trip, Conley died, but before
    he died, he gave me his directions and let me look at the map. The
    old outlaw told Salyer that the gold was hidden in a sealed cave. A
    natural stone corral known to the outlaws as Horse Thief Corral, a
    log cabin in Cutthroat Gap, and a Winchester rifle mounted in the
    fork of a tree were the signs leading to the hidden cave.
    It was years before Salyer moved from Brownwood to Oklahoma, and it
    was several years more before he made his first trip to the Wichitas.
    Finally in the 1950's, he enlisted the aid of J.B. "Burt" Holderbaum,
    an old prospector left over from the gold rush days and together they
    rediscovered the old stone corral in the shadow of Cutthroat Gap, a
    valley into the mountains from the north that had earned its title
    more than a century before in 1883 when Osages massacred their Kiowa
    neighbors and placed their severed heads in brass buckets. Holderbaum
    was one of the few living persons who knew the location of the rock
    pen.
    At first even Holderbaum had trouble locating the outlaw lair, but he
    knew that it was on level ground at the bast of Mount Pinchot, the
    highest peak in the Wichitas, although it does not appear to be. An
    old trail ran past the corral, but the animals inside were hidden
    from view, Holderbaum remembered. In one corner of the corral stood
    the rotten stumps of two trees that had once served as gateposts.
    Holderbaum recalled having served as gateposts. Holderbaum recalled
    having been shown the corral in 1901. At that time a rock fortress
    said to have been used by outlaws was still visible about two miles
    north. Its breastwork was constructed from boulders stacked in a
    large circle on top of a lone hill, which in 1901 had but one lone
    cedar growing on it. It had been some time before that Holderbaum
    found a rust eaten rifle hanging in an oak tree just west of the
    makeshift fortress.
    The cabin in Cutthroat Gap was a clue that I could never forget. A
    bandit queen once lived in the cabin. She apparently purchased the
    food and supplies for the outlaw bunch. Old Conley often mentioned
    her, always with a smile.
    At the summit of Mount Pinchot a long, black streak plunges twenty
    feet down a bluff.
    The black streak is a sign too. The gold is between the streak and
    the hanging rifle, if Conley didn't err in his directions. My
    partners and I searched continuously for six weeks during one spell.
    We looked every day except Sundays but had no luck in finding
    anything more than the corral, fortress, and ruins of the cabin. The
    180,000 was part of a payroll robbery at Dodge City as I remember.
    Every since early boyhood in Brownwood, Texas, Salyer had heard tales
    of a prominent banker there who was believed to be the real Jesse
    James but who went under the name Colonel Henry Ford. But there is no
    record that Ford ever admitted such or even pretended to be James.
    However, even today, old residents of Brownwood will swear that Ford
    was indeed Jesse, for he had no other reason to keep a mysterious
    trunk in his house under lock and key. Too, many residents believed
    the legend because both Frank James and Cole Younger made trips to
    Brownwood to see Ford, and Frank's sister, Susan, and brother-in-law,
    Allan Parmer, lived nearby, just outside El Dorado.
    Ford first appeared at Brownwood in 1870's, later served as its mayor
    and then as president of the Coggin Brothers and Ford Bank. It is
    possible that Ford was a member of Quantrill's guerrillas or even one
    of the original outlaws who rode with Jesse. Whoever he was, Frank
    and Cole had a lot to talk over with him after the turn of the
    century.
    Salyer regrets that he and Conley never made their trip to the
    Wichitas before Conley died. But at that time it seemed impossible.
    Occasionally Salyer still pokes around in the shadow of Cutthroat
    Gap.
    Frank James recovered some of the loot. Joe Hunter unearthed some of
    the treasure that Frank had failed to find. The clues have been to
    many to dismiss as legend, the brass bucket with the outlaw contract,
    the silver watch, the graves, the gold bracelets, the copper sheet
    with its secret code, and of course the maps, to old and perhaps to
    cryptic for anyone to read now. Yet treasure seekers still dig in
    lonely canyons, scan out of the way pinnacles and explore musty
    smelling caves in quest of Jesse James's two million dollar treasure,
    secreted in the Wichita Mountains at a time when those hills harbored
    some of the deadliest outlaws of the west.
    Frank himself is said to have once revealed that the treasure was
    buried alongside the old Chisholm Trail between Fort Sill and the
    Keechi Hills. It must still await some lucky finder, one who can
    break its secret code and follow th long trail that Frank James rode
    hard enough to wear out six horses.
    Pioneers Home
    Comanche County OKGenWeb
    County Coordinator:
    Margie Etter
    Co-Coordinator
    Sharon Burnett Crawford
    This Page Last Updated Friday, 21-Nov-2003 13:33:37 MST

    ****

    ~Jay~
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery - We have been studying the KGC since before it was the popular thing to do.

  7. #26

    Feb 2005
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Thanks for posting! Great reading!

    Cavers5

  8. #27
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    YEP! From my research... Texas was a HOTBED of KGC "activities"; here is an INTERESTING web-site of what pp in OK have found... http://www.outlawtreasure.worldbreak.com/photo3.html 8) (SUNNY out...).

  9. #28
    us
    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Here is an important message I just posted for our Bloody Bill Anderson Mystery members and want to share it with my friends here:

    ***

    Okay, members, I must confess. I have been holding a BIG secret from you and the American public for nearly two years now. Before I even started this group, I came into possession of a copy of the original article written by Brownwood Banner-Bulletin newspaperman Henry C. Fuller as it appeared in the August 24, 1924 issue of the San Antonio Express newspaper which was based on his interviews with our William C. Anderson of Salt Creek, Brown County, Texas. This article had never been tampered with or filled with traditionalist propaganda as many later articles were. Only the story as told by Bill Anderson without the various "witness accounts" from people who were not even alive during the Civil War.
    Several weeks ago, I brought this copy to Gene Deason, the Editor of the Brownwood Bulletin, explained to him what our group has been doing for the past two years, invited him to join us which he did, and, after doing his own extensive research into this complex subject, he agreed to write an article to accompany that of Henry C. Fuller.
    The resulting article is very accurate and historically important and it appears in today's special "Horizons 2008" issue of the Brownwood Bulletin - Sunday, February 24, 2008 - nearly 84 years from the time that Bloody Bill Anderson revealed the truth about himself to another fine Bulletin reporter.
    In a show of appreciation for their magnificent coverage of our group's work, I will not transcibe that original article on this message board or on any other Internet website nor will it appear in the Bulletin's online version so everyone who wants to read it and save it for its collectors value will have to order their own copy from:

    Brownwood Bulletin Circulation Department
    (325)641-3107

    Total cost for this issue shipped to you should be around $7.00 because of its larger than usual size. Please don't miss out on this opportunity as it deals a death blow to our enemies.
    ~Jay~


    ***

    ~Jay~
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

  10. #29
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    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
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    From: "Jesse James and the Lost Cause" by Jesse Lee James, published
    by Pageant Press, New York, 1961, page 14.

    While J. Frank Dalton made one insignificant error about the date of
    Henry Ford's death in Brownwood, it was actually in 1910 and not
    1913, the gist of his statement on Henry Ford is very significant as
    it affirms that Henry Ford was indeed a KGC member when he relates
    about the tattoo on Ford's right forearm. The Smokescreen Gang has
    been busy spreading the lie that Henry Ford and Bloody Bill Anderson
    did not have a close friendship despite the facts that anyone who has
    studied these men and their lives or has interviewed descendants of
    Colonel Anderson who were alive when he died in 1927 knows beyond any
    doubt that these men served together as guerrillas and later worked
    closely together in Brown County's and Brownwood's early years to
    make this area a safe haven for unreconstructed Confederates,
    Guerrillas, and their families as well as for other citizens of this
    county.

    ***

    "Why, do you know, some experts had me die at Brownwood, Texas, along
    about 1913, some such year. I wasn't there either. But my kin and
    my loyal friends let it ride, and never let on any differently. Just
    because the dead man going by the name of Ford happened to have a
    certain tattoo on his right forearm like many of us had, they once
    again presumed Jesse Woodson James died, and at Brownwood, Texas.
    The same tattoo on Jim Sears' right forearm was the cause of another
    rumor that I had died not far from Florence, Colorado, near Wetmore,
    Colorado," said JWJ. "That tattoo was on the right forearm of each
    and every member of the Inner & Outer Circle as well as upon the arm
    of each and every official of the International-Anti-Horse-Thief
    Association, of the old bunch.
    "The tattoo was a thin ribbon affair with the letters...'Tex-Y-S', in
    light blue ink, and tinged with red coloring; just a small,
    insignificant narrow tattoo on the right, inside forearm," explained
    old JWJ, with a grin.
    "Jesse R. James had this same tattoo, and also a red heart tattoo on
    his same forearm. I don't know why he had that heart inked onto his
    arm any more than you might know. I do know it's there though, and
    so do you," laughed JWJ.
    I attended my own funeral. I sang in my own funeral choir. I acted
    as one of my own pall-bearers, believe it or not!" chuckled JWJ.

    ***

    ~Jay~

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery



  11. #30
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    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Here is a photo I took recently of a tree located in the city limits of Brownwood in central Texas. A local friend tipped me off to it and refers to it as "The Eye of The Needle" tree. There is a Hoot Owl tree less than 20 yards away from it.

    Texas Jay
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery - we have dozens more KGC-related photos in our group's Photos section which is for members only.
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  12. #31
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    Rare Bloody Bill Anderson postcard surfaces ! I just found this rare old photograph that confirms what our research group has proven - that William C. Anderson of Salt Creek, Brown County, Texas was the one and only Bloody Bill Anderson of Quantrill's Guerrillas. I invite all of you to join our group where we have been covering the KGC for over 3 years.

    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

    ~Texas Jay
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  13. #32
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    YO! When you find "old" pictures like that... be "mindful" that "poses" MAY represent something... review the pics in HBB's books, of HIS family members. (Ie., the "hat" on his head does not look "real"). ALSO, he is looking at the fireplace, which appears to have "writings" on it... and his fingers on his left hand looks like he is giving a "homeboy sign"... DUNNO.

  14. #33

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    okay jay...i ran across a bit of my quantrill info...posted links below..should keep you busy a day or so...............there is a bit of family info on anderson in a few of the articles ,,,,,,,,,,,,as soon as i locate the rest of my links i will post them for you/your group.............gldhntr



    general info on group with a couple diaries............

    http://www.lib.usm.edu/~archives/m243.htm


    http://www4.pair.com/justfolk/Diary24.htm

    http://www.archive.org/stream/quantr...nuoft_djvu.txt

    http://www.kancoll.org/galbks.htm

    http://www.potterflats.com/suemundy.html

    http://asp6new.alexanderstreet.com/l...ent&pagePos=11

    http://thelibrary.springfield.missou...3/N7/Sp69b.htm

    http://www.wattshaysletters.com/lett...ters61-65.html

    http://www.kclibrary.org/kchistory/b...cted-resources

    http://www.kancoll.org/khq/1941/41_3_caldwell.htm


    http://www.civilwarstlouis.com/Histo...jayhawking.htm

    http://whmc.umsystem.edu/invent/desc-soccust.html

    http://www.tshaonline.org/shqonline/...ol=096&pag=559.

    http://cdm.sos.mo.gov/cdm4/document....TR=1808&REC=12


    9. Diamond Springs, Morris county, Kansas, was a well-known stage and relief station during the years of the great movement along the Santa Fe trail. The settlement, composed of several large two-story stone buildings and a stone corral, was built upon the site of a spring that had been known by the Indians and plains animals long before its discovery by the white man. Santa Fe traders camped upon the spot as early as 1804. The buildings, corral and sheds were the most pretentious of the kind between Council Grove and Santa Fe. The place was the scene of several encounters between Indians and whites and in May, 1863, was raided by Dick Yeager, one of Quantrill's officers, and a band of Missourians. The raiders murdered inhabitants, burned and destroyed property and left a scene of desolation and destruction. -- Kansas Historical Collections, v. 14, pp. 794-800.


    http://www.geocities.com/quantrill_raiders/ bones


    member info on group with several different member lists..



    http://www.kansasheritage.org/research/quantrill.html

    http://members.tripod.com/~Penningtons/roster.htm

    http://www.familychronicle.com/quantrill.html

    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb..../quantrill.htm

    http://www.couchgenweb.com/civilwar/quantril.htm

    http://www.rulen.com/partisan/roster.htm

    scv quantrills raiders camp #2087
    http://quantrillsraidersscvcamp.homestead.com/

    william clarke quantrill society
    http://americanhistory.about.com/gi/.../quantrillsoc/


    http://www.historynet.com/the-james-...-friends.htm/3


    Albert E. Castel, Thomas Goodrich, Bloody Bill Anderson: The Short, Savage Life of a Civil War Guerilla

    Edward E. Leslie, The Devil Knows How To Ride: The True Story of William Clarke Quantrill and his Confederate Raiders

    "Southron Guerillas: William "Bloody Bill" Anderson (http://www.geocities.com/mosouthron/.../Anderson.html)

    "Quantrill" (http://www.crimelibrary.com?gangster...s/james/3.html

    http://www.kclibrary.org/kchistory/b...ivil-war-books


    book for sale {not by me} that might be of interest ''the encyclopedia of quantrill's guerrillas''..supposed to be the longest list of members ? yet
    http://www.geocities.com/outlaw72532/techie.html


    hall brothers info below...for more research, barbourville, knox county kentucky, and ben hur, lee county virginia {where the secret society charged with keeping the county completly Southern and free of yankees/slaves did such a good job that even today you will be hard pressed to find either during the day and no way to locate one after dark..kin were members........rebel flags still fly at most of the churches there............in this research you will find much info on the moody listed in the raider rolls as the hall/moody families were very close with several marriages between them...a couple of the moodys can still be heard burning up the fiddle/banjo on bluegrass radio.......
    http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb....souri/hall.htm

    raiders pictures...........
    http://www.footnote.com/page/1089_quantrells_raiders/

    artifacts here...
    http://www.oread.ku.edu/Oread98/Orea...libraries.html



    some reunion pics here
    http://www.whitsett-wall.com/Whitset...eon_photos.htm

    pence pictures.....
    http://www.pipeline.com/~richardpence/outlaws.htm

    older info
    http://www.genealogyimagesofhistory.com/q.htm

    reunion photos
    http://www.rulen.com/partisan/reunion1.htm

  15. #34
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    Rebel - KGC & gldhntr:
    Thanks, Rebel, for the excellent suggestion. I am well aware of the importance of the details in these older photographs of KGC men but it is one that all people interested in the subject to be aware of.
    gldhntr, thank you so much for providing all of these excellent sources. I will quote your message with these links on our Bloody Bill Anderson Mystery message board so some of our 132 members can begin following up on them.
    ~ Texas Jay
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

  16. #35
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    Feb 2006
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Here is a website with some excellent photos of two carved rocks which were located in Comanche County, Texas, adjacent to Brown County where I live.

    From:
    http://www.texfiles.com/spiderrocks/pt2.htm

    ~Texas Jay

  17. #36
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    Feb 2006
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    Since starting this thread over three years ago, I have spent a lot of time studying the rock and tree carvings and other signs and symbols I've found in the central Texas area and will devote even more time to this work this fall and winter. My hunting partner and I have already been out several times this fall doing field work and locating even more carvings and signs. We seem to learn more every day that passes about the meanings of these signs. Thanks to this thread, I have been contacted by some of the most respected and knowledgeable people in the treasure hunting community and they have helped me immensely. I've made some trusted friendships also that no amount of money could buy. After posting my last post on this thread, I went ahead and purchased a copy of Steve Wilson's book "The Spider Rock Treasure: A Texas Mystery of Lost Spanish Gold". This book is amazing and, although I am only half-way through it, I find it very difficult to put down but I must in order to get anything accomplished. Oh yes, and for the naysayers, I already know what you are going to say about this book before you even type it. All I can say is that you don't have a clue about it unless you have read it or at least started to read it so save your breath with the critiques as I won't reply to you anyway. The story centers around an area near Clyde, Texas which is only about 70 or so miles north of where I live.
    ~Texas Jay
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

  18. #37
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    TJ, the ANCIENT LOST TREASURES on YuKu.com has a NICE KGC "sub-board"
    with LOTS relating to TEXAS KGC. Haven't been there in awhile, tho. BTW, that "pic" looks like the "4 CORNERS"... with FOCUS on New Mexico & Colorado...

  19. #38
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    Hi Rebel. Thanks for reminding me about ancientlosttreasures. I've been a member there for a few years but, like you, I haven't visited in a while. I'll check in there soon. Rebel, if you will contact me via private email, I'll update you on what we've determined since I posted the photo of the large directional rock.
    ~Texas Jay
    jay_longley@yahoo.com

  20. #39
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    "The difference between genius and stupidity is genius has its limits."~Albert Einstein

    Jan 2007
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Rebel, I zoomed that picture postcard and the hat is real; you can see it's shadow on the wall behind the man. Also, the way he's holding his left hand might be a sign, but it TOO could be that he's simply holding a cigarette. In the zoomed view, there appears to be the end of a handrolled cig on the palm side of the fingers.

    Texas Jay, years ago I read a story that had JJ and Frank bringing a muletrain of gold up from Mexico through Texas. Some referenced that to the Maximillion / Montezuma Treasure. Anyway, one story has them burying the goods somewhere in the central area of Texas. Another version has them bringing the booty on up into the Indian Territory and burying it anywhere from the Red River on up to the top end of the Wichita Mountains.

    While I was living in the OKC area back in the 1980s, there was as story in The Daily Oklahoman about how treasure hunters were still trying to get into the Cut Throat Gap area to look for the treasures supposed hidden there. It pointed out that the land surrounding that area was privately owned and the land owners were real tired of those people fooling around on their land; cutting fences, digging holes that their cattle could break a leg in, etc. Also, much if not all of the Wichita Mountains are Wildlife Preserves and / or owned by the Ft. Sill Army base. What's the latest on this situation?

    "Dobie created the HUNGER............Von Mueller said, EAT". comment by HELM Associates on the dedication page of their book, Treaasure Lead Generation.

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    Feb 2006
    Brownwood, Texas
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    Re: KGC Treasure Leads in Central Texas ?

    Hi Shortstack. According to Bill Anderson's youngest son Pat (Patrick Henry Anderson), who lived with his father at the time this photograph was taken (1924), Bill Anderson didn't smoke. He did drink some and also loved to bet on horse races. Pat said that when his father would take him to the races, his pockets were always bulging with silver dollars. A bit out of the ordinary for a central Texas farmer in that day.
    Regarding the Maximillian treasure, I have been interested in that since my younger days, way before I even knew there was such an organization called the Knights of the Golden Circle. Years ago, I was following up on some information I had found in some treasure publication (I still have it somewhere but don't ask me where) and was searching for a large rock with a huge "M" carved in it. It was supposed to mark the nearby location of this enormous treasure. I was working on the version you mention about it being somewhere in central Texas, not too far from Brown County, Texas, but have yet to locate the marker rock. I haven't kept up with the Oklahoma versions so I can't update you on that.
    Thanks for the excellent information and questions.
    ~Texas Jay
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/bloodybillandersonmystery

 

 
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